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Is there a general rule of thumb when it comes to 710 sizing?

I'm thinking about getting a pair of the 15th anniversary ones from Pirates, the stealth arcs are really tempting me.

I'm not familiar with Samurai shrinkage upon soak or anything like that, so any basic guidelines would be helpful.

rule of thumb I got, and worked out in sizing my 710s, was that post wash/soak, you can expect them to stretch back out to original measurements.  my 710 black hawks were tagged a 35, measured a 35.5" waist initially, and after one hot wash/hang dry, one cold wash/hang dry and ~2 weeks of wear, are at about 36" (based on feel, haven't measured).

was a little freaked after trying them on post wash/dry given how snug they were, but as suspected, they stretched    

would be 18cm to be consistent w leg opening in size 30, but yes

open to leathers and seasons

have heard about it, but never experienced it first hand...

left seam on the left leg of my new samis naturally sit square in the center of my boot.  what's the remedy for this sort of thing, as just adjusting them backward leaves them feeling awkward and they end up back twisted regardless

looking to get into a pair of raw black 19cms and not entirely sure about sizing

based on the fit guide here, and measured 37.5" waist on my somets, I'd be a 34.5 or sz 34.  36" waist on these should work with my actual 36" waist measurement. 

I'm a big dude though (6-3, 215) so wondering (1) if there's any reason to size up to the 36 to accommodate?  thigh measurements on these look like they'd be even bigger than my NS (sz 33) when I first bought them. but with some taper

(2) or to size down to the 33 if I'm missing something

recently bought my first pair of unsanforized black denim and even after a hot and cold wash, inseam is 37"...to hem or to stack?

wear a ~32" inseam on dress trousers worn low, and 34" commonly on more relaxed stuff (basic, non-crazy stacks), also worn low.

to hem or not to hem?

just got my 710 black hawks and they're great.  initial thoughts:

- slubbier than I expected, first pair of slubby-ish denim, so psyched to see how these wear

- all black details are great; since there wasn't a pic on the BiG website, wasn't sure if I'd like the herringbone pockets since I liked the jacquard on the black shadows so much, but it's nice and works with the all black theme

- always thought the selvedge line description on BiG was just a gimmick, but you can actually see the red and silver intertwined and there's a bit of a glimmer from the silver if the light hits it.

planning to do a hot wash, hang dry and then second cold wash, hang dry on these.  initial measurements with others to follow:

tagged size 35
waist: 35.5
front rise: 12
back rise: 15.75
thigh: 13
knee: 9.75
opening: 8.5
inseam: 39

took some pics, what's the best way to upload them on sufu?

Nicely done Rightyow77.

 

Even though I generally love what Samurai does. I have to say I find those Black Hawks completely underwhelming and boring. They look like a pair of run of the mill black jeans from the mall. Don't mean to offend anyone just my personal taste.

certainly entitled to your opinion, but why? 

denim is the classic zero denim, button/selvedge/pocket bag details are all there...seems like a cross between the details on the 5000BK and the design of the 710 black shadow to me.  if you're just looking for something new, I hear that, but 'underwhelming' doesn't seem like the right descriptor in any case.

looking to get into the 710 BH on the BiG website.  comparing measurements between those and a pair of somet 003 I own, looks like I should be good with the 33s, but wondering if I should size up since the BHs are unsanforized? 

also, planning to do a cold wash/hang dry once I get them.  anything else I need to do being that the denim is unsanforized? 

what?  black weft would result in minimal if any fades--the contrast between the warp and weft yarns is what result in the fades

the loss of indigo results in the fade.

*slaps forehead*  yes, but not if weft yarns are dyed black

If you want real black denim (fading) I thing the IH SBG denim is a good choice. Though it's much more regular and not as slubby as Samurai. And all black weft.

what?  black weft would result in minimal if any fades--the contrast between the warp and weft yarns is what result in the fades

^^ That was really a dumb decision

 

^The disadvantage of the black Zero denim is, that it is very greyish and not dark black. There are some intense worn-in pairs but they all got a dirty grey look. The Geisha denim would also be great! After seeing kayodic's pair...great texture of the denim

confused...the fades black samurai denim gets was the reason I got interested in the first place.  not your experience? 

It seems so. And the Redhawk to only 45 according to B.i.G website.

 

Pretty low numbers for both... and combine that with the fact that the Redhawk doesn't have a custom tag and I have to wonder if maybe they got halfway into producing Blackhawk before they realized they were using the wrong color thread (orange instead of black) so they just used normal Samurai tags and split it off into a smaller special run. Maybe a bit tin-foil hat but it could be...

based on conversations with gordon, there were two pieces planned from the outset:  both feature the black zero denim, but with different details.  black hawk obviously features all black details, while the red hawk has the more traditional back patch, buttons and lemon stitching. 

anyone talked to gordon recently about the BIG x samurai collabo?  last I talked to him, he said it would likely be here by end of summer, but that was in late june and don't see them on the site.  already followed up twice on these so would rather not follow up again if anyone has heard the latest

Have been looking into Samis for high quality black denim that gets great fades but looks like the cut I'm interested in won't be available again until early next year.

Any other black denim in the same ball park that gets good fades that I could/should check out?

Bah, looks like the 710 black shadows are sold out in my size (35/36) at BiG and doesn't look like they'll be more stock until early next year.

Anyone know of any other route for procuring new 710 black shadows in my size?

3000s came in black at one point as well. Not sure if they're still around, and not the cut you're after.

Also some boot cuts that only people in Japan bought.

hollows is right. maybe you can get the s5000bkb that offers a black weft and a black warp but there aren't really more options

Thanks, guys. Thinking I might e-mail Gordon to see what my is/may be available in the near future then.

are you looking for black yarn-dyed that fades like the indigos or the "no-fades" [ie, no contrast, dyed-to-the-core warp+weft, fade to grey like most black twills]?

PBJs got slim-cut NC-011 & 013 "no-fade" blacks that might interest you.

Thanks, dude...saw the PBJ 013, but def looking for something that will fade as the Sami rep for nice fades.

Looking at black Sami's for my next pair of raw denim and thinking of trying a more tapered cut relative to what I've worn before (APC NS and Somet 003s), so leaning toward the 710.

Looks like the BKII and Black Shadow are my only options generally in the 710 in black. I wear a 34 in the NS and 33 in 003s, so leaning toward a 36 (tts) in the 710.

BiG has the BKII in 36, but not the Black Shadow. Don't see any other 710 offerings either on the Sami website or Rakuten--any place else I'd be able to get the 710s in black and/or any other cuts I should be looking at? Also, any sense that there'll be new 710 offerings in the new future?

^big is your only source for these. if new black versions of the 710 are planned, i can not tell. they are not in their upcoming fall/winter collection. but maybe there is a collanb coming out in the future but that is most of the time a surprise and can't be predecited.

Thanks...any other options for black Sami denim besides the 710 and 5000 then?

Looking at black Sami's for my next pair of raw denim and thinking of trying a more tapered cut relative to what I've worn before (APC NS and Somet 003s), so leaning toward the 710.

Looks like the BKII and Black Shadow are my only options generally in the 710 in black. I wear a 34 in the NS and 33 in 003s, so leaning toward a 36 (tts) in the 710.

BiG has the BKII in 36, but not the Black Shadow. Don't see any other 710 offerings either on the Sami website or Rakuten--any place else I'd be able to get the 710s in black and/or any other cuts I should be looking at? Also, any sense that there'll be new 710 offerings in the new future?