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Damn, i thought this was Team DMT. that would be more fun...

Everything shipped today. Should be there relatively soon.

Monster X/Spazz split (Reservoir) - PENDING

Really wanting this one. Do you ship to Europe?

The split is sold. I would ship to Europe but the price would be $6 for the first record and $2 for each additional.

Not takers for the Struggle 12"? That is classic...

word i only had botch on cd

those still life records worth it? i forget what i even have

Still Life got me through my touchy-feely teenage years. Not sure what else they're good for...

Updated.....

I am moving and have some old hardcore records that are free (well, plus shipping) to anyone who wants them. $2 shipping for first record, $1 each additional. I only have a couple days left before I give them all to goodwill. Here they are:

7"

SOLD - Harvest - Incision (Trustkill records) - SOLD

SOLD -Botch - John Birch Conspiracy Theory (Phyte Records) - SOLD

SOLD - Native Nod - Bread (Gern Blandstein) - SOLD

SOLD - Lincoln - s/t (Art Monk Construction) - SOLD

Endeavor - ...of equality (Happy days records)

SOLD - Harvest - One step closer than the last (trustkill) - SOLD

Inkwell - Shine so bright (my last wish)

Enkindel/Empathy split (toothless records)

SOLD - Infest - yellow vinyl (draw blank) - SOLD

SOLD - Downcast - s/t (ebulition) - SOLD

Devoid of faith/Seized split (gloom)

SOLD - Still Life - Sometimes (Rhetoric) - SOLD

Outspoken - The Current (New Age Records)

1134 - Nothing (Ammunition)

SOLD - Monster X - s/t (Ebullition) - SOLD

Aftershock - s/t (1124 records)

SOLD - Ink & Dagger - Drive this stake... (Initial) - SOLD

SOLD - Struggle - s/t (Ebullition) - SOLD

SOLD - Earth Crisis - Firestorm (Victory) - SOLD

SOLD - Monster X/Spazz split (Reservoir) - SOLD

SOLD - Born Against - Industrial Relations Dept. Employment Office (VMFM) - SOLD

8"

SOLD - Still Life - Slow Children at play - SOLD

12"

SOLD - One Life Crew - Crime Ridden Society - SOLD

SOLD - Path of Resistance - Who Dares Wins - SOLD

Floodgate - Big Brother is Watching

SOLD - Born Against - Nine Patriotic Hymns for children - SOLD

Still Life/Jara split

Still Life/Resin split

Struggle s/t

SOLD - Infest - Slave - SOLD

SOLD - Ink & Dagger - Fine Art of Original Sin - SOLD

SOLD - Slapshot - Step on it - SOLD

Still Life - From Angry Heads with Skyward Eyes

SOLD - Bold - Speak Out - SOLD

SOLD - Minor Threat - s/t - SOLD

Still Life- The Sunflower Tribe

SOLD - Botch - American Nervoso - SOLD

Brother's Keeper - The continuum

None Left Standing - Stingray Candy

Amber Inn - All Roads Lead Home

Policy of 3 - Dead Dog Summer - PENDING

My wife has a year-old pair of Lee 101z Riders full selvage from the EU line she got from denimbar. They fade very quickly but do not lose much color in a cold soak with woolite black. Also, they stretch a lot (not as much as APCs, though) but shrink back to original size after wash. These were sanforized.

pre-clothing cognition: levis, lands end, other cheapies

middle school: arizona, levis

high school: anything black (levis, arizona, lee, anything sold at sears)

thrift phase: if it didn't have a brand and it was within two sizes of fitting, I bought it

rave, serotonin receptor-depletion stage: JNCO, Kikwear

post-college: gap1969 (five years)

"premium" phase: Rock and Republic, Hugo Boss, True Religion, Edun, D&G, Antik, APC NS, John Varvatos Straight Black Selvedge

Post sufu: SC 47s, SD-101 (sold), Nudie SJDB (Sold), Lee 101z, Sammy 0510XX LTD Texas Cotton

some serious boots....

Some Dorothea Lange...

Pm'd

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LeicaLad,

What other wines do you collect besides Bordeaux?

wine

prize:

Centennials are available in the US. A couple weeks ago, I got a pair of 1095s centennials from a Red Wing store in Maryland. I think they have a few more in several sizes. It's got the centennial stamp (or whatever it is) on the upper and came with centennial pin thingies on the leather laces.

french wine vs. new world wine (west coast u.s., chile, argentina, etc...)

i'd say this is a more accurate selvage/non-selvage relationship than beer. Czech beer is so fundamentally different than Belgian beer that you'd be hard pressed to say that one even influenced the other (each has serious historical roots as well). But with wine, you have much newer vinyards in California, Oregon, Chile, etc. trying to replicate climatic conditions a techniques that have been perfected over centuries in France. Do they sometimes produce better results? for sure, just as some projectile loom denim is better quality than its shuttle loom/selvage predecessor, but across the board, i'll take a subtle, balanced Bordeaux over a huge, overdone Cabernet from Sonoma almost always.

French v. New world wine is more like old Levi's v. all other quality denim. Sure Levi's came first and made some fantastic jeans but there are a lot of recent manufacturers that make equal to or better jeans. In wine, there is a long history of great French wines (first growth Bordeax, grand cru Burgundies, Hermitage, Cote Rotie, Chateauneuf du Pape, etc.) that continue to this day. But to say that new world wine regions don't put up the same level of quality (or dare I say, better?) is ridiculous. The race to find the next France has long been abandoned in favor of a more level-headed approach to recognize that there are a great many terroirs in the world for making great wine, only one of them being France. No one is trying to "replicate clamatic conditions" of France. First, because it is impossible. Vineyard managers may want their vineyards to be planted in the same latitude as Bordeax, Burgundy, etc. or look for similar degree-day conditions or even similar soil composition but these vineyard managers aren't fooling themselves into thinking they are going to replicate Chambertin in the Santa Lucia Highlands. Second, like I said before, wine-makers are more concerned with expressing the terroir they have than the terroir they want to have. Ever since the 1976 Judgment of Paris, the wine-making world has turned their head from trying to copy France and, instead, start focusing on the greatness that the individual plots of land have to offer.

Can great French wines be subtle, complex, and mind-blowing wines? Of course. But so can new world wines. Try some old Cali Cab examples like BV Georges de la Tour pre-1980, Mayacams pre-1980, Chateau Montelena, and Mondavi Reserve Cab before Michael Mondavi got ahold of the winery and you will see that not only are these wines age-worthy but they can be as compelx and subtle as any French wine. From Australia, Penfold's Grange has long been a standard of greatness and there is no reason to believe that current Aussies won't achieve the same quality.

To make an already long story short, it is one thing to say that you prefer Bordeaux over an "overdone" California Cab, it is another to say that California cabs pale in comparison to Bordeaux. And that ends the wine geek rant.

It is amazing to me that there is really an argument for copying the Levis arcuate and red tab. I gott side with airfrog on this one in believing that if Japanese denim companies want to make a product, there is nothing stopping them from doing so except for this strange desire to make obvious reproductions of Levis patents. Regardless of what people think of the law/copyrights, the law continues to exist and the means of excercising it and expressing voice through it (i.e. law suits) continues to exist. There is nothing to stop Sugarcane or anyone else from producing very high quality jeans without using those symbols that are owned by Levis. I wonder if this conversation would still be happening if people were doing high-quality knockoffs of SF sacred cows like Supreme...

^ The little variations may indeed keep the various companies from breaking any copyright infrigements but that would be up to many courst to decide (once you get through all of the appeals). However, why even bother spending all of the money on legal help when you can make the same pair of jeans just without all of the marks that are obviously take-offs of Levis?

I can't believe dem Rogue Status muhfuckas ain't roll up on yo ass already. Dem foo's be tuff.

not to bag on 'em but did they hand over the arcuate stitching to the drunk guy in the corner? Otherwise, good looking product.

Streetwear in what part of the world? In what scene? That could be one hell of a long book.

^ The sales info for the men's department is interesting, but the original thread topic involved women's jeans selection. Can you see a store being able to focus on women's dry denim and succeed? Granted, it would be (probably) the only one in the US to do so and could have a niche market. I guess the problem would be getting women to be aware of it and not be disgusted by the concept. There are like three women that post on the superdenim part of SF which doesn't bode well for women's interest in dry denim, though that could also be due to other factors of this board in general. Also, the dry denim market has always fascinated me because it is centered on buying less and wearing it for longer periods of time which, in the long run, means less purchases by the consumer (of course, this is not always the case) though at usually higher amounts spent per purchase. You guys that own stores see this as a problem or are there enough people out there who a) do not know dry denim, learn about it and want it (this, I assume, due to the small amount of people wearing dry, is a large market) or know about dry denim but buy more than they can break in (see the "no more denim" thread). What do you think?

^Girls not washing their jeans after 6 months is really not that big of a deal. My wife's jeans don't smell any worse than mine.

a classic that never gets old....

^ maybe not a number that can be ignored but probably not a number that would keep the lights on. I'm sure you get the majority of your bottom line from the other stuff that SF folks may not hold in that high esteem (not that there's anything wrong with that). The point is that most likely she's going to need to stock stuff that may not be the best in quality but will put enough cash in the bank to keep the lights on. Of course, she can try to only have top quality stuff on the racks but she'll need one hell of a marketing campaign and some great web sales. Local traffic probably wouldn't cut it.

^ not everyone will ask for pics w/o jeans, just red.

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no no you mistake their intentions. no company deserves to do whatever they want. they've sued toyo corp (sugar cane) for copyright violations, if i'm not mistaken, and that is simply no good from a denim lover's point of view.

and anyway didn't keynes say that competition is good, more competition is better? even the oldest denim brand in the world should be made to work for their sales.

--- Original message by tweedlesinpink on Jun 17, 2006 01:51 AM

The suit with Toyo is over arcuate and red tab copyright infringement, right? If Toyo (and others for that matter) stopped with that kind of easy to fix stuff, they could still make top quality jeans.