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They're both about the same.

I have the same jean in both types of denim and they fit about the same, you have to consider that the denim is VERY different and that it falls differently.

Thanks. I'm just debating whether to go TTS or up 1 in the 1105s or just TTS in the new ones if they shrink less (plus I like the look of the denim). If the 1105 really shrink .5" they might be too slim...Do most go true waist size or up?

Sorry if this has been answered, but do the new 1105s run much slimmer than the new 2105s? Is the difference in shrinkage between the two very noticeable, as Self Edge's site suggests?

I'm still pissed I missed out on Kato's type I denim jacket 1 or 2 years ago (it had perfect proportions for me). If anyone has/sees one for sale let me know...