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I did read the thread, I just wanted some clarification since there's many conflicting opinions on sizing up one, two or even three. thank you though.

so i take from jayrock, and others, that if you have actual skinny legs you are safe to order true to size in tight unwashed for a good, slouched fit? i am normally a 28 and i have rather skinny legs. i think "snozepp's" looked good after stretching but then again i think i'm smaller than he is. should i still size up to account for massive shrinkage? also what exactly is "italian" unwashed

are they these: http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/productdetail.jsp;jsessionid=DC034DA1698A52766D0F99CF9EC8E495.app13-node2?itemdescription=true&itemCount=60&id=13715636&parentid=W_APP_BRANDS_CHEAPMONDAY&sortProperties=+product.marketingPriority,-product.startDate&navCount=364&navAction=poppush&color=

as opposed to these:

http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/productdetail.jsp;jsessionid=DC034DA1698A52766D0F99CF9EC8E495.app13-node2?itemdescription=true&itemCount=60&id=13644471&parentid=W_APP_BRANDS_CHEAPMONDAY&sortProperties=+product.marketingPriority,-product.startDate&navCount=364&navAction=poppush&color=

the former would appear to be tighter yeah?

sorry for dumb questions