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pretty cool short horn shirt on ebay

That's long horn I suppose. I've paid about the same amount when I got slightly older sample 2 yrs ago.

Why personalise it? Maybe you could contribute your thoughts rather than criticising others?

Used value are what the market will bear; I've seen comparable jeans go for $2k to recently, IIRC, $4,500. I've found odd slumps i the market recently as buyers change, but I wouldn't be surprised if a pair in a good size fetches more - atho I'd have thought a 32 measured waist would fetch better $$$ than the typical big waist, small leg that's common in older vintage.

No Paul/Dr_Heech, I'm not talking about the potential price - that can be very subjective.

But I'm expecting, with your caliber, most of you should immediately spots the jeans are genuine and not from 60s era, even without knowing there are hidden rivets - just based on those pics.

Spot on analysis as usual Paul, and if they're a 34-36 waist/32+ leg then you could put another 2k on top.

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I lost respect, that's all I can say!

Nice dark denim....this jeans look more like late 40s or early 50s to me, probably previously with leather patch. My eyes might be wrong but I'll buy it for any sensible asking price.

Very nice...I wish I could find one with the same size....

Ahh, Lee jackets are different from Levis, number-wise.

The 101J or 101LJ's have a '21' or K on the button-backs, whereas the 100J has X on the backs.

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Dr_H, I've with me 101J with #X on the button-backs. I believe, this mid-60s jacket was made with the same era as 100J you mention here. My camera is not handy right now, I might post the pic later.

@HH & BGB

I have found pairs of 60's 501's with the letters J, K, L and M as well as E and S.

I think the offset belt-loop was a feature ('56-'62ish) that evolved from rushing pairs out made by operators who just couldn't get the thread through the thickness of all that denim.

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@Dr_H, mine have letter #L at the back of every crotch buttons and the jeans do have offset belt-loop. Wondering whether this is from '56-'62ish as you mention above since it also features zink rivets. I noted all features look like the jeans are from 50s but the only thing puzzle me was the zink rivets which according to http://www.levisguide.com/ it's from '66 and beyond.

I interested on 34x34. Will pm you very soon.

Thanks doc. A picture of an old pair would be great, if you find the time. Or maybe Paul can help?

I've this jeans in my possession with about 1" off center belt loop:

The newer one here is nearer:

soooo its been a while...anyone have anything vintage related to post?

new buys, finds or anything of interest?

From time to time, I found some interesting vintage but all of them seems nothing compared to anything owned by most you here in the forum. In my country now, to find real old denim in used or vintage shop is like a dream comes true - they are scarce and very-very rare if we found hanging on the wall on display. Some collectors even stay very low profile - avoid mainstream collectors and other owners of vintage clothings.

I shared some of my findings here previously. I don't know, maybe that denims are so typical to westerners or maybe the picture I took is not so nice.

I have question to masters here - what is the real meaning of numbers or characters that we found on the back of top button of most vintage jeans, in particular from Levi's or other brands? Why it got so many variants - some like #L on top button, some series of #L on small buttons? One of my friend got 501 with #6 top button and #D at the back of all small buttons. Is there any difference between that one with the one with only have #6 top button jeans? Hope I could find real answer. Thanks.

I bought this jeans cheaply. Owner of the vtg shop either have little knowledge of Wrangler jeans or already archive sale target of that month. The guy even repatch it with Japanese repro leather patch on the right back pocket. This still in very dark indigo denim fits a tad loose to me but the cut was nice with very good measured size, 35x32.

I'm rarely found Wrangler Blue Bell hanging in vtg shop here but by looking at all the attributes on the jeans, especially the Gripper zipper zip fly, I'm so confident it is from at least 60s era or probably late 50s. There are ship like marks on one of pocket bag with 'Sail Cloth' and 'Sanforized' ; and has 'A2' punch on the back of main button.

Anyone could date and confirm this? And which model was this Wrangler?

Oh man the less time they spend in water the better. Softener... OUCH.... sorry man but ya just gotta be patient. The stiffness is what gives ya those killer whiskers and combs.

Thanks for the advice. Since I soak them less than half an hour, even with little softener, the denim still quite stiff and I feel more comfortable wearing them now. I know, the softener is a taboo here.

Hi Paul,

The denim on the 1947 is noticeably different to the 55 (and even the 44, I'd say). It definitely takes more time to settle in and look its best.

I agree with you and airfrogusmc - the denim is quite stubborn to fade. FYI, I just wash mine for 2nd time but still not much different. With the fading rate on my '47 right now, I think it will take another year or more to look better. I even used little softener to break them.

Hi Paul,

The denim on the 1947 is noticeably different to the 55 (and even the 44, I'd say). It definitely takes more time to settle in and look its best.

I agree with you and airfrogusmc - the denim is quite stubborn to fade. FYI, I just wash mine for 2nd time but still not much different. With the fading rate on my '47 right now, I think it will take another year or more to look better. I even used little softener to break them.

there was a time in japan when they couldn't chainstitch the entire waistband. the technology at the time allowed japanese denim makers to only stitch till about two inches from the edge.

I follow this thread with much interest. Today I passed your posting miz and it's remind me of my old Levi's 557 made in USA jacket. Interestingly, at the back of infamous single stitch loop I found the chain stitch that end the same way you describe in your posting.

The chain stitch of my another Levi's jacket just finish at the end of the edge. I think depend on the machine in thr factory, the chain stitch of the jeans or jacket not finish the same.

Your stormrider dates from the early-mid 1970's, as it has the last type of 'Troy mills' (re-used wool/rayon) lining and the first of the screen-printed labels as opposed to the earlier, embroidered type.

On the pocket, the little black/gold Lee tag will have R, MR on it.

Nice condition though

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Thanks for the enlightenment. The tag reads 'ALASKAN LINING' but the rest of description and size unreadable.

I not familiar with Lee but Lee or Wrangler seems to fetch cheaper than Levi's here. Anyway, it's good for collector.

Another wool lining jacket have was Levi's here:

Levi's 71205 0317 Type-3 Jacket

I think this is newer sample.

..and I also have these, which I believe date to circa 1957-60

(apologies for the repost)

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Not to mention the old 101LJ, this one at the back faded nicely. I think it is of different kind of denim compared to the one I have which is more like the one in front.

Actually, storm rider or anything with wool or synthetic wool lining is not popular due to tropical climate over here. So I normally found it cheap. Mine was my second one that I bought from the same shop. The shop still have 3 more but I believe they're new samples as my first one I bought before.

I'm happy to wear it if I live in cold country like yours.

thanks dralfonzo but mine one not as nice/old as Dr_Heech's stormrider.

ThinFinn,smittybat,setterman,wgmds,dr.house & airportlobbytx,

I wonder if he's confusing a year of ownership with a year of actual wear?

Other than the back pockets, they look like they've been worn less than a month.

You can say I'm confused. I shouldn't said 'good wear' but yes, I'm not wearing them everyday since I got some other jeans to wear. I normally wear vintage and my '47 was the only LVC left in my collection now.

To maintain the indigo color, I wore them from raw without soaking and wash them once after 6 month. I plan to wash them soon but still I don't want the color fade too fast. I might send them for dry clean.

Just got this from used clothing store last week....vtg Storm Rider jacket

My '47 after about a year of good wear. Wash once....

I really like the way the fades come up and going to do 'controlled wash' very soon....just to maintain those contrast....

No, I believe the 524 to be from late 70's/early 80's (one of the last redlines?) But I could be wrong.

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This is my redline selvedge jeans from 1983 as indicates on inside tag. #555 back button which normally associate with LVC repros. I believe this are the last redlines produced in Valencia St factory.

Compared to #524 redlines, #555 got slightly different back pocket cut probably from different cutting block.

To me the best redlines are 'Redline '66' from end of 60s or early 70s with #2 or #6 back button as pictured here:

Great pair but wow $1300++!!!

Yeah...it's expensive but I don't buy something like this every week. I believe some collectors are lucky than me on getting vintage on ebay.

I say if you can find them wear them... don't be that guy who buys a MINT copy of the first pressing of a beatles album and puts it on display and doesn't give it a single listen.

Yeah, I agree with you. I've yet to find a 40s or 50s vintage that I could really wear them like the '47 repro that I wear now.

I just scored this early 60's 501XX vintage hidden rivets but still not long enough for me. And I don't really like roomy back and tight like this.

Yeah, nice collection partytaco. I wish I could have more 40s like yours.

You might like this Vtg Levis 501 E S/Stitch Redline Hidden Rivet 35x32 K (BTW, I'm not the seller)