Frutiger

I mean, it's not technically fashion, but in my opinion, its the pinnacle of a certain type of "fashion"

Olympic White 1961 Gibson SG Special, as used by Pete Townsend of the Who. Essentially it is the most lusted after piece of anything in my mind. It boils down to the aesthetic appeal and instant imagery that can be derived from a guitar like that. It's the SG contour paired with the pure snowy white finish, the silver hardware giving it that hard edged gleam, the beautiful rosewood fretboard giving it a shadow... If you asked me, its the equivalent of finding that Raf necklace in an old thrift shop 40 years from now. It just holds an infinite lust worthy value in terms of what it stands for. It's an iconic piece of art, an amazing choice of equipment for any player, one of the most timelessly crafted artifacts of the guitar-age, and it just holds immense weight of value in my opinion.

Sorry to get off topic for a second. I've been thinking about this guitar for some time.

Guitars aren't fashion, they're better than that. They are everything...

ahahah. i love the inferring that's going on.

first of all i would like to say that out of all the guitars i have played i prefer gibson because of MY EXPERIENCE. to state blandly, i've snapped the neck of an epi before... while playing. that was my last experience with them (i had previously owned 2 guitars from them). i would also like to call you on the quality control out of nashville being bad... have you checked? i've owned an SG standard and a firebird studio and the quality from both was 10/10. no paint flakes, no knots in the wood, etc.

now, i never said someone would want to have his guitar APPRECIATE IN VALUE. that's where you're assuming things. i merely said resale value, as in the resale value of a car. gibson's undoubtedly have one of the best resale values of any guitar makers (notice i said ONE OF THE BEST, there's definitely a few out there that make gem guitars). additionally, much to your surprise, guitars can appreciate in value. try buying a vintage fender/gibson from the 60's/70's. i'm guessing you'd pay just a tadddd more than what they cost in their day. oh, and i am talking about guitars for players not collectors... you brought up the $4000 LPs, remember?

for me warranty is quite an issue because i like dealing with someone who is going to work with me. in my experience, schecter, ltd and plenty of other "like" brands assume you did something wrong with the guitar and that's why there's a "problem." uh, fuck now, the company just produced a guitar that didn't perform.

lastly, um... unless you get a steal, a 9.5/10 standard PRS is worth maybe $1900 or $1800, depending on production date. sooooooo... yeah, semantically you can buy several (i.e., TWO) PRS guitars for the price of an expensive gibson. (and just a note, i've toured the PRS factory in stevensville maryland. the customs, as explained by the tour guide, are quite better than the standards, but the standards are still great. oh, and by "if you know what PRS guitar to get" i was referring to everything but their SE, korean made series which are a shame to the name of PRS, albeit tenfold better than epi's).

once again, i'm not trying to say THIS IS LAW. but in my experience, and though i have not dealt with every company (or even a fourth), i like gibson. they perform, they have the tone i want, they're not assholes, etc.

I wouldn't even think about buying a new guitar. I think new guitars are truly awful things. It's vintage all the way. You want amazing tone from your guitar? Buy vintage. You want good re-sale value? Buy vintage. You want to get the instrument with the most soul for your money? Buy vintage.

Now I know it's not a cheap thing to do but if you've got $4000 for instance then you would be an utter lunatic to buy a new guitar when you could be getting a mid 60's Gibson ES330 for that kind of money (& trust me when I say they're the BEST value vintage Gibson you can buy) for $2000 you're looking at 50's melody makers/ES125's & other budget guitars (before people start going "Melody makers are cheap budget guitars" yeah the new ones are but get an old one & they're wipe the floor with most things. You want a fat biting single coil tone from a guitar? They've got it in spades.

Also for that sort of money you're looking at vintage Epiphones, proper US made Epiphones (originally in New York & then in Philidephia when they were taken over by Conn in 1953), both are pre Gibson take over (in 1957) which switched building to Kalamazoo alongside the full Gibson line.

Please don't ever see an old Epiphone & think that they're cheap inferior guitars, pre 1969 you're geting full on Gibson quality. Pre '53 you're getting an awesome jazz guitar from one of the most established & well regarded companies in guitar history.

Oh I'd like to add that I'm not having a go at the original poster, it was just the first post that had main points I could use to talk about vintage guitars. I also know that I'm very fortunate that I can afford to play & collect vintage guitars & due to this have played pretty much everything Gibson have made (including two 1959 bursts & many other 50's solid's). I understand that lots of people can't or just don't feel comfortable buying old guitars due to warranties & that kind of thing. I'm just here to say give it a go.

Have a look at mine a couple of pages back to see what I mean.

For all you vintage guitar heads, here are some of the girls:

Enjoy.

Yeah, thought it was something along those lines.

I typically produce my drawings in a CAD program, then I've been importing them into Illustrator for presentation purposes (as previously mentioned: A1/2/3 poster layouts, smaller flyers, etc.)

So, Indesign may be a better program to undertake such works?

In that respect you might actually be better off importing into illustrator as it's better at importing & handling files from CAD sorftware.

In all honesty I don't use any kind of CAD software so I don't have any first hand experience with which to help you. With regard to the posters you're probably doing things in the simplist way there is already.

Indesign really comes into its own with multi page documents, that's really its main purpose, so if you were going to produce a large document for a pitch (for example) then instead of having to have lots of seperate illustrator files, you could have one multi-page indesign document.

Indesign is what you should be using for producing print artwork, it's pretty much Adobe's version of QuarkXPress.

I'm a desingner & I use photoshop for all images, Illustrator for drawing, building cutter guides etc & indesign/Quark for making lookbooks, adverts, catalogues: any print work basically.

Yes it's well worth learning how to use it & you wont regret learing it if you want to get more into graphic design in general.

The way you could use it is to produce all of your drawings in Illustartor & then import them into indesign to set the pages (if you're making a brochure for instance).

Ooh, a thread about guitars & Amps. Well here goes my first post (hello everyone by the way!)

The Amp I've got I've had for 10 years, it's a Marshall 30watt Valvestate (it was cheap) which has a line 6 effects modeler & a sans amp pre-amp in front of it (to make it sound good).

I have a bit of a thing for vintage Gibson guitars though, I've got the following:

1936 Kalamazoo KG14

1952 Gibson ES175N

1962 Gibson Melody Maker

1964 Gibson ES330TD

1968 Gibson Les Paul Gold Top Deluxe (with P90's fitted)

1969 Gibson Hummingbird

1982 Gibson Les Paul Standard

1994 Gibson '59 Reissue Les Paul

The collection's growing all the time though. Next thing on the list is a decent Fender amp. I'm thinking '50's tweed twin/bassman or a '60's blackface twin/super reverb.