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Washing without water... sounds good for dry denims!

Check this out:

http://www.sanyo.co.jp/koho/hypertext4-eng/0602/0202-1e.html

"Air Wash’ function that enables easy disinfection & deodorization*3 of clothes without using water, by utilizing the power of air at home. ‘Air Wash’, injects air combined with Ozone on the articles inside the drum, and is able to disinfect & deodorize*3 in about a 30 minute process. The Ozone that is injected inside the drum decomposes odors and bacteria and then goes back into the air.

This washing machine is ideal for situations such as 1. Wanting to deodorize without washing, 2. Disinfect without washing, 3. Not wanting to wash the item right away, 4. Easily wash the item and 5. Cannot wash in water. Also it is shown to be effective for countering pollen and odors of pets. For clothing and small objects that would normally lose their shape with the tumbling action of the drum, this new washing machine enables operation by setting these items on a shelf inside the drum."

You could even wash your shoes, even the non-converse or sneaker types (I just regular wash those...) in this thing. Or put your jeans in on the non-tumbeling function and keep your original creases.

Offcourse it's only availiable in Japan and costs 250.000 yen... But hey, U don't hav to buy washing powder anymore... and it saves on water too.

So who's gonna volunteer and try this?

I can't see the pictures...

laundering denim sucks anyway...

buy dry, want light? beach-bleach!

My girl-friend has my jeans size, though with a different body figure... she stole a pair of dry wranglers I had(!) and they look great on her, but her mom threw them in the was, twice!!! my gf got really-really-reeaaalllyy mad at her mom, lol...

she gets the idea of not washing and wearing till you can't anymore!

she likes her prefaded nudie RR selvage, the one with the circle faded in. and I just picked her up a pair of ALD dry's, but first I have to negociate washing terms with her mom before she gets that one, looks good though!

And she has a prefaded Lee (x-line green double narrow-loom) selvage thats coming about more and more.

Only she's not on superfuture, yet...

But girls wearing looser guys fits, raw n worn, look really good!

What size are you looking for, these go in 38-40-42-44-46, how well they correspond with S till XXL I don't know (or why there label different in the first place... no wait, genuine labeling?) there's a shop in amsterdam that has two left, lying around for ages, think they go for half price, of the imported euro price that is... don't pin me down on it but I know they don't have anything smaller then 40.. otherwise I'd have it! I think a 40 and/or a 42 is still hanging there, ever in amsterdam? They don't do web sales though...

Hi I was wondering does anybody have experiance with this brand, it is a younger Dutch brand and it does a fair deal of its denim in organic cotton and pushes fair trade conditions in production countries. It also has a fair deal of dry -organic- denim in its collection in different models, otherwise it a more finished-focussed brand.

I happen to have one of their older initial denims, being a really loose dry selvage model, I'll try and post pics later. Right now they don't have selvage in their collection but more selvage denims are coming up I heard.

Just curious to see what if any experiances you all have...

I've been keeping my phone in my right front pocket pretty much ever since I had one... on my dry denims you can really pick up the form of the phone now, even where the camera bulb on the phone was, which I find cool looking. Now I have a new phone and indead ideally you would have to switch phone when starting on a new pair of dry's but that might be too much -expensive- hassle.

I do happen to like the uneven fading of my pockets due to whatever the hell ends up in there, I find it puzzleling how when I actually do was my jeans and empty the pockets all kinds of weird stuff from the past year of your life comes out, I have little piles at home...

But go which ever way you like, I just hate having to think where my phone/keys/wallet are so I keep them in their 'fixed places': right front/left front/left back. So I can check in 0.5 sec if I have everything with me.

But then again I am quite thin a 28 or 29 and after some breaking in they are more then loose enough to carry stuff around in, I just hate sitting on things not as flat a my wallet in my back pockets. (yeah it's usually pretty empty, I actually spend my change so it doesn't botter me when I sit down)

Go however you like..

Does anybody know if Denime has their own site or some other good source of info on this brand, preferably not in japanese... I found some sites selling one or two models but I would like a bit more information.

I'm trying to find out which fits they have. And what are the experiances with Denime jeans? Any info would be much appreciated!

Grtngs Jens

I've kept a pringles can top in my back pocket of my first selvage jeans for like 1,5 jears now, changed it from time to time cuz the plastic folds up after longer wear. but it looks just like a ring from whatever in backpocket now... might be cheating, putting stuff in your pockets for the sole purpose of having it fade into your jeans, but back then I didn really know how dry denim worked, first thing I did was wash the jeans, are turning out nicely though, but are really loose. they're kuyichi's, a dutch brand, got them for 70 euro's.

in my '44 lee I keep a lighter, that is empty but serves as a beeropener and an atelier sewing kit in my coin pocket, my wallet in my left rear, any thing in my right rear (got really cool results with a compact flash card box and a throught mint, both by accident!) my phone in my right front and my keys in my left front... so yeah I dig the stuff in pockets for fading pursoses!

their's a carhart only store in amsterdam, if they do natural indigo I want a pair! I'll check it out monday.

Hey I know that the darker the denim the higher the contrast of the fading and so on, but... why aren't there lighter shades of dark blue or even 'normal' and light blue raw denim fabrics? I don't think jeansfreaks would only want super dark denim? And yeah I know you need to wear em more and more and they'll turn lighter anyway... But still, would be nice to get (or make if I can get the fabric) a pair of raw -preferably narrowloom selvage- denim jeans of a lighter colour. Surely the fading will take longer to become really distinct, but it would make for a nice addition to a denim collection.

I've seen a pair of Atelier LaDurance's in a lighter shade and wil try em on but they're not selvage (yet I like the brand, don't own it, but like it, they don't even have prefaded jeans do they?)... Yet if they fit nicely I'll probably get them, unless anyone else has a good tip...

Thanks in advance for any info and I'll keep you posted on my lighter denim quest!

WOW, the visualisation of the whole jeans making process is really good with these pictures!

You so inspired me to go and make a new pair of jeans myself and take the pictures you've taken.. it just looks very professional! And I CAN believe it only takes you 3 to 4 hours, in production they do a pair of quality jeans in 20 minutes (yes with 20 people and professional machines (btw: I got a 70ies bernina too, it rocks, take care with the sharp needles though, they can break the yarns of the fabric, blunt needles just push the yarns aside more but require stronger machines that is true -and you only really see it if there's a lot of tension on the seam, like outer leg seams-)) what I CAN'T believe is the load of time, practise and effort it must have took you to get to this point.. I can do a pair of jeans in 3-4 days, cutting to wearing, not hours. And I'm 3 patterns down the road.

D*mn I just want to go make jeans now!!!

BTW: where are you getting your fabric? I guess you buy larger quantities (I make one pair everytime) and are you using narrow loom selvage denim too? I find getting good fabric the harderst part...

In a nutshell: MUCH RESPECT!

BBTW: just now saw you got the extansion plate for your bernina too! I also got it, did you ever work with the embroidery presser-foot and do you have a knee-lever on your machine? My favo! Love the retro ironing-board cover too..

Edited by jens on Feb 6, 2006 at 11:43 AM

I've seen some of the Levi's RED jeans who also have the the red "levi's" tag at the back pocket only stating the registered trademark R on it. So they could be from the European Levi's RED line (the color of the backpocketstitching being contrasting yellow strengthened this too), brilliant wash instructions btw!

The pictures look quite okay, I'd say you got a VERY GOOD deal, in like I'm very jealous now... The selvage does not look fluffy (in the care label picture) and the selvage in the inside of the coin pocket which has been hemmed with a chainstitch (not the cheap-ass-easy-way-of-making-jeans-look-very-selvage-thus-cool-ripp-of style that fake jeans can have) the bottom hems however are done with a normal 401 stitch. Nevertheless a good pair of jeans.

Enjoy your purchase man!

Edited by jens on Feb 6, 2006 at 11:17 AM

You're right, after some research on the nudie site I found that you are absolutely right (naturally denim birds is their womens brand). I was just put of by the loads of girls out here in the streets in The Netherlands and at my school who are wearing the 'girlish' nudie fits: the Ola and the Kim, which are often (well mainly, almost only) sold as womens fits over here.

On the site the only thing I could find, appart from no women depicted in their jeans, was this:

Quote: unisex fits

Q: I wonder if the different models fit both men and women? For example flare Glenn?

A: in general nudie fits best on men, but as females often buy unisex they fit as well, if you are used to special femal fits in stretch they might not...you should try if you like them..or not

So this is new info for me, thanks!

Edited by jens on Jan 17, 2006 at 09:53 AM

I was just wondering how you starch your jeans and in particular with what agent and what the alternatives and experiances are. Up till now I haven't starched any of my dry jeans but naturally the roughness fades of due to wearing the jeans so I'd like to start starching some of them.

Any info is appreciated!

Edited by jens on Jan 17, 2006 at 09:36 AM

I own two pairs of the Flare Glenns but no Olas, I'm guessing the Ola will be lower and tighter due to it being a womens fit. The Glenns I own aren't dry ones but they fit nicely and I wore them happily a lot untill the brand really hyped mainstream over here, I'm not too fond of the fabric quality but again I don't own any of the good dry ones...

I don't know the Rigid Skinners but I think the Glenns have a higher rise, good luck anyway!

I have to agree, the 13MWZ is a good jean (actually the 13th try they had at making a Mens Worker with a Zip fly, the 11MWZ is a loose fit and nice too)

But the cut is slightly different from the vintage 13MWZ from the Blue Bell collection, I own that one and have not worn the 'regular' 13MWZ. The European and American lines are different anyway to start with.

I like the Rockwell style from Wrangler too, My girlfriend is breaking in a pair of Rockwells, they are dry and I think 12oz or so but the R/OE broken twill ones, she says I'm not getting them back..

Here in Europe H&M just launched the I LOVE DENIM line this winter and it was a huge succes with prices from I think 50 to 70 euros or so and some really nice fitting dry womens and mens jeans. No selvage naturally and I fear open end fabric, but great fit and styling.

The cheapest nice jeans I ever found where old worn in 501's (no big E's or somthing just 70ies 80ies or so) for something like 2,50 euros in my local second hand store up north in The Netherlands, where people don't know what it nice... (honestly I've found dry selvage jeans for 30 euros after 70% of, really nice and almost every size left but only loose fits)

Cheap and very satisfactory are the secondhand markets and shops (here in Amsterdam) but they take a lot of regular scavenging and time.

it is, hope the interior hasn't changed!

Next to Goodies, on the left side, there's Zipper, a must see second hand, vintage, jeans n everything shop. It is still my dream to run into a pair of way to well worn-in selvage pair price 35euro's or something in there, yeah I'll keep dreamin... Nice collection of Levi's Red aswel, great vintage colberts.

Not on the map but must be added: club 11, on the 11th floor (12th for english natives) of the old post office sorting centre next to central station: great club, better view! You tell me how many clubs with windows and downtown city over-views you know!

Edited by jens on Dec 30, 2005 at 07:56 PM

Yeah there should be a whole topic here on the definition of selvage...

Would clear up a lot of things and I feel now a lot of people mean more or less different things with it, when it comes to the details and specifications I mean.

At school (textile management) I learned that when talking about fabric (any fabric) the edge of the fabric is the selvage or self-edge, and not so much a specific type of edge in it self. With knitted fabrics this edge is always neat without fraying for the yarn goes back into the fabric.

With woven fabrics you have the two options: the (weft)tread can go back into the fabric, as is the case with the narrow shuttle-loom fabrics or it can be shot trough the warp treads and then neatly cut of at the other end of the fabric (projectile-loom), in this kind of fabric each wefttread or tread running in the with or the fabric is not connected to the ones above and below. While in a peice of the other fabric (before it is cut into pattern parts naturally) all the weft yarns are still connected due to the fabric being woven on a shuttle-loom, untill the tread in the shuttle runs out and a new tread is inserted, this you can see with two pieces of theard sticking out a little bit somewhere at the edge of a real/full/authentic/you name it, selvage denim fabric edge.

Now no one of the two is more selvage then the other, the kind of selvage is simply different. With the cut off version the fabric is mostly used to make jeans for brands or lines in which it is not important to have selvage as a feature of the jeans, therefore it is mostly cut without using the selvage, Lee is indeed an exeption to this as undoubtedly other brands aswel which I just don't know of...

The shuttle-loom fabric is a lot more expensive and thus also used more for jeans in which the fabric is more important and more emphasised. Brand tend to call this 'selvage denim' which is actually rediculous since there is no way you can make a piece of denim cloth without having a selvage, or edge of the fabric. But to the customers in shops the whole high-tech story is not really explainable in a 5min sales talk so 'selvage denim' settled in as a term for the denim produced on shuttle looms.

Naturally the use of the term this way is not wrong in it self but saying the other denim (cut-off edge) is not selvage denim is. Jeans made with half-selvage are at Lee (for jeans in their X-line and 101 collections) made from the cut-off type of selvage, which does come on a wider roll and it it thuss possible to cut the jeans patternparts out of the fabric with only using the edge of the fabric for two of the fore leg parts, the other two simly fit out of the middle of the fabric. With their jeans made out of shuttle-loom denim the fabric is usually not wide enough to fit 4 leg pieces in the width and using the selvage 4times makes more sence anyway since the target group for those kind of jeans know about the selvage in the first place. Nevertheless I have seen Lee Rider Originals made out of this fabric with only one selvage edge and the other being an overlock stitch. This makes no economic sence unless the fabric is wider or the selvage edge is cut of for oter purposes.

Using only one selvage edge does increase the number of fit possibilities when is comes to the leg opening, but this is limited an extreme flare for instance would twist really weird towards the selvage side if it is only cut into the other pattern piece.

I hope I have not complicated things more now with this story... I'd be happy to go deeper on certain things but I agree that a complete understanding of the selvage phenomena is almost only possible when you dive deep into the actual manuafactoring process and the equipement used.

And if anything is wrong with it please correct me for I would like to know The Truth aswel, and think this is it. : )

As a last resort I used the fabric from behind the backpockets to put behind holes I wanted to patch. It takes some ingenious hand-sewing to fill up the holes below the pocket fabric so that you can use the pockets normaly again.

Natrually you do feel this on the inside of your jeans a bit, and with further wearing it might even show through on the outside faded in the pocket aswell, which is actually quite cool...

For me this is only worth the trouble when you want to patch the piece of fabric on top of the hole or if ot would be highly visible trough the hole. Normaly I only patch with pieces cut out of other jeans, naturally no sevage or even ringring ones but ones with similar feel and fading, true it takes a bit of a collection to be able to find a fitting swatch for a specific pair of jeans.

For lenthening your jeans this all it pretty useless, it only works for smaller quantities of fabric. I am very curious a s to how you would have the bottom unhemmed and lenthened, to me this seams rather hard to do without looking... uhm, off!?!? Unless the jeans are still unwashed and not yet really faded in a lot.

And I do indeed always keep the jeans fabric I cut off when I shorten jeans from my friends just in case, sadly I have not yet worked on or with the kind of fabric you are looking for.

Post how it workes out with a picture if possible, I am interested in how it turnes out!

PS, just realized, taking out the hem completely might lengthen your jeans to an acceptable lenght and would not look all to weird if you pressed the folds out (no steam though!!) and the jeans are not worn in already to much.

Hi, I'm just new to the forum and I have to say that there is a masive amount of info around here!

Have been a jeansfreak for quite long now so it's hard to tell me something new about jeans, though every once in a while it happens and the bringer of the happy news gets unmeasurable respect from me.

Good work!

Some info on the 101b dry, it will stay in the Lee collection and will probably be taken up again by the same shops in the next season, albeit in small quantities.

But do you mean the lot101 lee riders originals ( about €250 retail and japanese selvage ) ones or the 101B ( retail at €120 and ring/ring one sided projectile-selvage ) ones. Great value for money the latter ones, fade in really nicely ( not wearing mine enough lately unfortunately ) , friend of mine wears em non stop for about a year: B E A U T I F U L! The originals ones are quite hard to find, yet worth their money if you ask me, have one and it fits like a charm!

watch-wise I'm more a 70'ies omega man ( got a new steel automat for €150! ) , which is completely of the subject, true.

Edited by jens on Dec 9, 2005 at 03:56 AM