Roy. (expurgated edition)

[UkeNo]

the originals are the best. he's been over-designing them since.

Really?!?

How so?

[grooveholmes]

I interpret his "over designing" as an indicator of his skillful improvement as an artisan.

[UkeNo]

I interpret his "over designing" as an indicator of his skillful improvement as an artisan.

Me Too.

The only jeans with additional elements in terms of features were the contest jeans, if you consider the cinch back, duck pocket bags and pocket opening. But these were unique.

As far as his 'regular' jeans go all that has changed is in the refinements of the processes used to make them. They aren't embellished with gold and trinkets - far from it, the shell stitching on the RS1+2 is a nice touch and an improvement over the 'OG Roys' and up to this new edition RS3/RN3, no changes have been made to detailing (revisions of cut and fabric aside), except the lined Rear & Coin pocket.

They were great when he started out and they still are. Even More so, if anything.

Cheers

[grooveholmes]

Just a teaser, but I had to throw in something. Got the RN03 via mail on New Year's Eve but they need some additional work on the hems. It'll be another week before I can post some fit pics. Many thanks to Kiya for his help.

Macro-porn of a little piece o' history

[robbie]

I actually prefer the original Roys, but not because of 'overdesigning' in the present, but because he was still doing MTM then.

[wgmds]

just a lil roy thing to make everyone cringe. a few years ago my friend's mother saw his original roys on the ground in his room and threw them out because she saw a hole in the crotch. i was so upset. i introduced him to raw denim with those, and then after they were discarded, he gave up.

[rnrswitch]

A few years ago??

I do like the OG roys as well, although, the black and blues and these new ones with the loomstate Cone stuff are probably pretty nice. I just liked the back and forth required to get a pair of Roys through roy. I definitely felt like they were made to measure, he popped in a cool little keyhole for my pocket watch chain. It was just pleasant dealing with him. Price had nothing to do with it. I still love all the stuff he does though. I would spend $300 easily for a pair made by him.

[robbie]

I do like the OG roys as well, although, the black and blues and these new ones with the loomstate Cone stuff are probably pretty nice. I just liked the back and forth required to get a pair of Roys through roy. I definitely felt like they were made to measure, he popped in a cool little keyhole for my pocket watch chain. It was just pleasant dealing with him. Price had nothing to do with it. I still love all the stuff he does though. I would spend $300 easily for a pair made by him.

this.

I think a lot of what got this thread, the tour, the contest, the expurgated 'URCC', et cetera, was the back and forth and the fact that you had an opportunity to get to know the guy who made your jeans, and vice versa. While i've not met Roy in person I consider him a friend of sorts, and if he ever decides to do a limited run of MTM boy howdy am I hoppin on board that.

Edited January 2, 2012 by robbie

[grooveholmes]

I did the back and forth with Roy for the OGs but never got the sense of getting to know him, at least not in the sense through similar limited interactions with Victor at Raleigh Denim or Tony at Tellason. I don't take it as a negative, just a different way of getting to know someone because personalities differ. Dude is certainly kind, thoughtful, and has an odd sense of humor, which I like. Aloof.

And a genius.

[wgmds]

switch, i guess it was just about a year half about now. i lose track of time i guess! it's 2012, who the fuck knew?!

[stingray1381]

Has anyone had an issue with the new roy narrow version riding up the ass crack? I have the right size, but they have a thong effect going on.

Edit: actually looking at the fit pics on SE, Roy looks to have the same thing. This is normal?

Edited January 2, 2012 by stingray1381

[grooveholmes]

I'll let you know in about a week. Pics?

[stingray1381]

I can get pics tomorrow, but it looks quite similar to Roy's ass on SE. I haven't soaked yet or taken off the tags. Would be a shame to return them as the fabric is awesome.

[grooveholmes]

I think it's probably because they haven't been soaked yet. The fit and shape of unsanforized jeans can be a little wonky. I would be surprised if Roy hadn't already worked out the fit before manufacturing them for sale.

Not the best example, but here's a pic of some raw, STF LVC '47s on a model. You can see where the fabric gathers. Just let 'em shrink-- they'll be fine.

Edited January 2, 2012 by grooveholmes

[kiya]

Roy shrink tests his jeans more than i think any other "brand" we've ever dealt with. It's done to an almost psychotic level with every aspect of the shrinking, skewing, and color changing of fabric and threads taken into account.

[mikecch]

X-posting from Roy x Cone thread...

This was January 2011:

Took some evo. pics of my Roy x Cone today in the 40 degree (Celsius) heat...bloody hot...

Almost 12 months of wear, but since I can't be in these at work, the effective wear is more like 6 to 8 months:

Edited January 2, 2012 by mikecch

[mikecch]

And a roping bonanza!

With the my new White Oak fabric for 2012 - indigo cotton duck:

Edited January 2, 2012 by mikecch

[stingray1381]

Ok. New Roys narows after soak. Please excuse the t-shirt, as I just wanted to highlight the fit. You were right grooveholmes. After the soak must of the wedgie effect went away.

Edited January 2, 2012 by stingray1381

[shoreman]

Mucked up the hem, though, eh? I think the straight legs would suit you better.

[stingray1381]

What about the hem is the problem?

[shoreman]

If they are fine with you, that's cool. It just looks to me as though once the jean starts to set in, they'll hike up over your ankle. I suppose some people like their jeans like that, so my bad.

[stingray1381]

I dont like my jeans like that, so we will see. They don't seem to be particularly short now, so maybe it is just a poor angle on the picture.

Edited January 3, 2012 by stingray1381

[grooveholmes]

Dug this out of my email archive just for shits and giggles. From Roy to a noob with regard to washing/drying the OG jeans:

You have choices. I always wash them in hot inside out in the machine and tumble dry. This is because I like how the combo crinkles up the denim and rinses all the excess indigo out. Plus my tub can't take any more jeans soaking, what with the fibers clogging the drain. So, that what I do. I also like to get all the shrink out of them, and the washing machine on hot really shrinks them up good.

The accepted method is to run a hot bath and soak them for 20 minutes then ring them out and hang to dry.

This is a great way to do it.

You can also wear them without shrinking them first and just turn up the cuff. I do that sometimes too because they have a different fit and I like that as a change of pace. Then eventually wash them. they might develop a better patina that way if you wore them a long time because you give the wear areas a head start on abrasion.

Later when you do wash them to clean them, wash cold inside out and hang dry. This preserves the fabric. I never do this because I'm lazy in weird ways like this. I just wash them with all my other clothes in hot and tumble dry. I only tell you this so I don't feel like a hypocrite.

I love that last part.

[shoreman]

A dude who makes some of the best jeans around basically coming out and saying "they're just jeans. Stop being so anal."

I like this guy even more.

[Eyeq8402]

Happy New Year everyone. Anyone with a pair of 33 or 34 black and blues that want to part with them please shoot me a pm. Thank you for your time.

[setterman]

I dont like my jeans like that, so we will see. They don't seem to be particularly short now, so maybe it is just a poor angle on the picture.

they're fine. if it were me, and they didn't shrink any further, I'd probably get another inch taken off them. IMO, any amount of stacking looks bad with a slim tapered jean.

[big truck]

grooveholmes - that email is says it all. People thinkl too much about jeans. They should just wear them and, more importantly, make sure they look good them. Thats all that is required.

[theotherchrislewis]

Ok, so before I go into any details, i'd like to make it clear that i do love these jeans and this is not a hate-post, think of it as more of an observation.

Whilst having a denim-porn moment (comparing the finer details on my different pairs), I noticed a flaw on my pair of ROYs - one belt loop doesn't tuck under the waistband like the others do. Guess it shows that a 'one-man artisan operation' doesn't necessarily equal 'absolute perfection' and that ROY is actually human, just like the rest of us.

[theotherchrislewis]

Ok, so before I go into any details, i'd like to make it clear that i do love these jeans and this is not a hate-post, think of it as more of an observation.

Whilst having a denim-porn moment (comparing the finer details on my different pairs), I noticed a flaw on my pair of ROYs - one belt loop doesn't tuck under the waistband like the others do. Guess it shows that a 'one-man artisan operation' doesn't necessarily equal 'absolute perfection' and that ROY is actually human, just like the rest of us.

[theotherchrislewis]

Ok, so before I go into any details, i'd like to make it clear that i do love these jeans and this is not a hate-post, think of it as more of an observation.

Whilst having a denim-porn moment (comparing the finer details on my different pairs), I noticed a flaw on my pair of ROYs - one belt loop doesn't tuck under the waistband like the others do. Guess it shows that a 'one-man artisan operation' doesn't necessarily equal 'absolute perfection' and that ROY is actually human, just like the rest of us.