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This topic may be a little too serious for supertrash but im putting it here anyway.

Lately I really get the impression that North America is at a crossroads. Years of hearing the same alarmist news about everything from the environment to of course the economy has resulted in very little action by individuals, governments and society as a whole. Mainly we just ignored the shit and it was all good as long as we could cop jawnz and buy booze.

however i get this uneasy feeling that the tide is turning

I really have the feeling that all the facts are starting to add up and its time to face to music so to speak. I hate to sound pessimistic but even at the start of the recession I really felt that we couldn't maintain the high standard of life the majority has come to expect in North America. Sure there's no shortage of people who want to jump on the bandwagon of China as the next great superpower but I don't know how realistic that is since I feel that country still has a long way to go to really have a stable society. I do feel though that the developing world is going to want theirs and not just be manufacturing slaves.

I'm kind of ranting now but I'll add more later if this topic takes off.

to sum up for the lazy fucks

The US/Canada and to some extent parts of Europe are like an aging championship sports team , we still think we're the shit but there are plenty of young hungry teams who are trying to take our salaries and our place.

discuss

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yo soepoms english is mad good

what languages are in demand

maybe i should learn indian and i will be their outsourced tech support???????

edit : for u elitist fucks i know indian isnt a language but im too lazy to wiki what their languages are

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This topic may be a little too serious for supertrash but im putting it here anyway.

Lately I really get the impression that North America is at a crossroads. Years of hearing the same alarmist news about everything from the environment to of course the economy has resulted in very little action by individuals, governments and society as a whole. Mainly we just ignored the shit and it was all good as long as we could cop jawnz and buy booze.

however i get this uneasy feeling that the tide is turning

I really have the feeling that all the facts are starting to add up and its time to face to music so to speak. I hate to sound pessimistic but even at the start of the recession I really felt that we couldn't maintain the high standard of life the majority has come to expect in North America. Sure there's no shortage of people who want to jump on the bandwagon of China as the next great superpower but I don't know how realistic that is since I feel that country still has a long way to go to really have a stable society. I do feel though that the developing world is going to want theirs and not just be manufacturing slaves.

I'm kind of ranting now but I'll add more later if this topic takes off.

to sum up for the lazy fucks

The US/Canada and to some extent parts of Europe are like an aging championship sports team , we still think we're the shit but there are plenty of young hungry teams who are trying to take our salaries and our place.

discuss

i feel the same way.

I'd also like to say that America/the world is not progressing which is why we are in the situation that we are in now. Instead of creating a demand where there is none, we are supplying the sameshit but upgraded v

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Is this the real life?

maybe i should learn indian and i will be their outsourced tech support???????

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/05/news/companies/ibm_jobs/

Through a program dubbed Project Match, IBM will help interested workers whose jobs are on the chopping block to "identify potential opportunities in growth markets and facilitate consideration by hiring managers in those markets," according to an internal company document obtained by CNN.

The company also will help with moving costs and provide visa assistance, it says.

Other countries with IBM opportunities include Argentina, Brazil, China, Czech Republic, Hungary, Mexico, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Turkey, and United Arab Emirates, according to the document.

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mandarin for sure

every great empire eventually falls I mean before us it was Britain..however I don't think China is quite there yet..but that's just my speculation

it's nice to have dual citizenship :)

i be on that born in china tip also.

dont worry though im free of lead poisoning and milk formula.

also stock market is on some bullshit. Dow up over 200 pts today over nothing but negative economic data. http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/06/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?cnn=yes

bunch of half-ass capitalists hoping for bailout to rescue us all.

maybe i should knock out some teeth and hope the tooth fairy swings by tonight

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Read that link Homi, they're seriously outsourcing jobs to Americans.

oh sweet Canada's included in something for once "Big Blue is offering its outgoing workers in the United States and Canada a chance to take an IBM job in India, Nigeria, Russia or other countries.".

Sign me up for Nigeria, they got nowhere to go but up. I can also say "whatup my nigerian" without fear of reprisal.

too bad im not a recently laid off IBM employee..

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I dont think any country is progressive enough to jump ship its like all the ships around you are sinking too but you can get on the small wooden boat tied to the sides and try to get away on your own there is a slim chance you'll live though whereas a sinking ship is prolly around the same chances depending on whos the captain, you savvy?

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I dont think any country is progressive enough to jump ship its like all the ships around you are sinking too but you can get on the small wooden boat tied to the sides and try to get away its 50/50 chance you'll live though whereas a sinking ship is prolly around the same chances depending on whos the captain, you savvy?

nah doggie, i dont follow

its more like i be Kobe Bryant on the lakers just after they lost Shaq and i be asking for a trade to another team so i win get rings and more guap.

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Maybe if all of North America is as pessimistic as you are, then yeah, you may be right.

I'd like to think that there are plenty of individuals, and in growing numbers, that see the call for productivity, and will act accordingly. I feel we are on the cusp of a great breakthrough in a field of research. Shit mane it already b a decade through the 2000's! We're due for it.

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mandarin for sure

every great empire eventually falls I mean before us it was Britain..however I don't think China is quite there yet..but that's just my speculation

it's nice to have dual citizenship :)

I thought you couldn't get dual Chinese/American citizenship? Are there special circumstances?

Proclaiming the end of America and wanting to jump ship to asian countries is some seriously deluded white person tip. You guys are feeling a fucked up version of affluent white guilt combined with a tragic romantic notion where you secretly want to be exiled princes and shit.

China is a terrible fucking place. It's economy is growing at a rapid rate because labor is absurdly cheap, worker condition/wage laws are nonexistent, thereby allowing a huge profit margin for private companies to undercut every other country on the production line. What enables white people to see it as a boom country is the ironic fact that 95% if its population will never, ever see a quality of life half as good as all the Americans who think it is next America.

All those people who gotta ditch their cars and pack up to leave their underwater mortgages? They lived like fucking dumbasses and that shit would happen no matter what country they are in. I know plenty of people (immigrants) capable of reconciling their income with their life style and

are still living the American dream.

Yea empires gotta fall but last I checked Britain and France are still wonderful places to live.

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I thought you couldn't get dual Chinese/American citizenship? Are there special circumstances?

Proclaiming the end of America and wanting to jump ship to asian countries is some seriously deluded white person tip. You guys are feeling a fucked up version of affluent white guilt combined with a tragic romantic notion where you secretly want to be exiled princes and shit.

China is a terrible fucking place. It's economy is growing at a rapid rate because labor is absurdly cheap, worker condition/wage laws are nonexistent, thereby allowing a huge profit margin for private companies to undercut every other country on the production line. What enables white people to see it as a boom country is the ironic fact that 95% if its population will never, ever see a quality of life half as good as all the Americans who think it is next America.

All those people who gotta ditch their cars and pack up to leave their underwater mortgages? They lived like fucking dumbasses and that shit would happen no matter what country they are in. I know plenty of people (immigrants) capable of reconciling their income with their life style and

are still living the American dream.

Yea empires gotta fall but last I checked Britain and France are still wonderful places to live.

Vomit. Your half-wit insight seems completely off-base and delusional. You liken foreign interest in China's economy to a specifically white phenomenon, insinuating that to compensate for "whiteness" we're going to hop over to China to rebuild "white affluence", driven by our inherent greeeeed! Lunatic.

I don't know where you get this "white people" this and "white people" that crap. That's nutso-talk. Did your daddy teach you to think like that? You seem to have a very "us and them" mentality. I see a lot of that stupid bullshit on this forum and its really, really gross. Do you think that "white people" send out memos to each other about the world's economic situation? Like there's some white mailing list? White guilt? I see a lot of retards throw that around as a cheap crutch for lame arguments about race. Are you serious? We can pretty much assume that the overwhelming majority of "white people" don't want to move to China. Interest in China's economy was a global phenomina natural to its increase in wealth. Thinking like this makes you look like a fucking idiot. Congrats.

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The world has been headed for the brink on a economic scale for quite some time, and the past eight years have not helped anything for anyone. greenspan and the bush gangstas have fucked us up more than anyone aside from clinton and NAFTA. were at a point now where the is a chance to save things, but it will take years and a lot of amazing horrors to get there. i think we can save the western world, but i also feel like it might be more work than most people are ready to put in to it. i am very happy i live in a socialist country now, things are less turbulent here than back home at the moment, and despite the problems i might have with things over here, its not the nail biting experience that most of my friends with joby jobs have back home.

I think obama is going to have a tough time trying to fix this, its years in the making... i just hope we can help save ourselvs.

on another note i read a report that said people are still spending money because they think the whole thing will tank soon and the money will be worthless... the result of this is that the economy will be stimulated and we might get out of this mess... but only if people keep spending and dont know that the money will still be worth something... odd.

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if anyone is still doubting that we're fucked

2015 - The last year in which the world could afford a net rise in greenhouse gas emissions, after which "very sharp reductions" are required.

2016 - No more Indium (used for LCDs, solar panels) left*

2018 - Aral Sea completely gone

2021 - 50% chance Lake Mead (water resevoir for Pheonix AZ and Las Vegas NV) will be dried up

2027 - No more Silver left to extract*

2029 - Antimony (component of batteries, medicine) is gone*

2030 - Unless overfishing and poaching are addressed, there will be no mature tuna left.

- Arctic is ice free during the summer

- Most coral reefs have died due to increased ocean acidification

2033 - Ogallala Aquifer, which waters one fifth of US agriculture, potentially dries up

- No more Lead left to extract*

2036 - No more Tin left to extract*

2047 - No more Zinc left to extract*

- No more Uranium left to extract*

2048 - No more seafood

- Atlantic Sharks, and many other shark species, are extinct

2050 - Great Barrier Reef is virtually dead

2057 - No more Copper left to extract*

2060 - No more Gold left to extract*

2081 - No more Nickel left to extract*

2110 - Manatee likely to become extinct

* Date if the world's current consumption continues averaged with date if the world's current consumption is halved to get year.

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i don't know about the rest of those elements, but i am a nuclear engineering student and i know for a fact:

that there is lots of Uranium around for definitely more than 40 years of use, especially with reprocessing. Uranium can also be got by neutron absorption in Thorium, which will also last a long long time. see Fast Breeder Reactors

i mean hey, i also think the world is going to shit because generally a lot of people around you are dumb and/or lazy, not to mention all the other shit (ice melting, arctic methane, etc. etc.)...but not everything is going to go that fast

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