Hilfiger selvage denim?

[Telix]

I've been seeing some Tommy Hilfiger selvage denim on ebay lately for good costs. I like the look of the jeans (especially the sweet coin pocket), but haven't been able to find much in the way of opinion regarding their quality. Anyone know anything about these?

[ninja life moves fast]

do a search. i made a post about these-- they are selvedge and were $125 retail. they ended up at marshall's for $30, i think.

[wild_whiskey]

The hilfiger jeans I just looked at on eBay look to be wide loom selvage, not shuttle loom.

[ninja life moves fast]

what are the telltale signs of wide loom selvedge vs. shuttle?

[himatey]

wats the difference?.. which is better?

[super]

Selvage line looks suspect and looks like the denim is not that great in quality.

Edited by super on Nov 15, 2005 at 08:32 PM

[johninger]

selvage is a misnomer really it defines the side of any woven fabric and is a shortening of the term "self edge".

selvage denim as it is refered to on this board is actually shuttle loomed denim.

so a fly shuttle goes back and forward bringing the weft through the warp. As it turns to come back it creates a clean selvage. In shuttle less denim the thread is shot across and then cut off creating a frayed selvage.

check out [url=" http://www.imperial.st"] <a href="http://www.imperial.st" target="_blank">http://www.imperial.st </a> they have a pretty nice explanation of the whole raw selvage thing...

Also, i object to the comments about the denim in picture.

Firstly is definitely shuttle loomed. Secondly, no way to tell from that photograph whether it is dodgy or not. However, judging by prices quoted must be made in CHina/INdia.

Also, another interesting fact is that shuttle looms are not a specific machine. Back then there were many different brand and sizes. Narrow width (28"/29") right up to shuttle looms that were over 72" justas wide as some air projectile stuff. So be careful when you throw around terminology like narrow width, in fact i heard evisu/edwin etc don't even use narrow width looms on the stuff that goes into US and UK...

I hope that itch isn't what i think it is...

... could someone take a photo of me like this

[Serge d Nimes]

Those in the pic above are are narrow loom.

Carpe Denim! (not the jean brand silly!)

[johninger]

how on earth can you tell?

Granted it is shuttle loomed denim... But like i said i've woven denim on shuttle looms up to 60 inch wide as opposed to the 28" considered narrow width.

Please tell me cause from that picture all i can tell is shuttle loomed with bleached weft, indigo+sulphur warp. Looks like pretty standard yarn. That's it. In fact i wouldn't even be sure of that given colour differences in monitors...

I hope that itch isn't what i think it is...

... could someone take a photo of me like this

[Serge d Nimes]

Sorry, I meant narrow loom as opposed to projectile loom. I think of "wide loom" as projectile loom. I'm not sure how to tell the difference between 60" and 28."

Carpe Denim! (not the jean brand silly!)

Edited by Serge d Nimes on Nov 15, 2005 at 10:23 PM

[Serge d Nimes]

Actually that selvage line looks identical to older edwin jeans.

Carpe Denim! (not the jean brand silly!)

[johninger]

fair enough.

Your right, there is no way to tell except if you see a roll.

Not many wide shuttle looms are left. I think they got destroyed when projectile came in. In some countries by law you have to destroy looms when you replace them

Something about keeping production level...

I know some of the japanese mills use wider than 28" though.

I hope that itch isn't what i think it is...

... could someone take a photo of me like this

[andewhall]

I would say the 28" would be better for selvage Jeans, cutting wise yeah John, better yeild? I know I can get two backs and two fronts out of a 60" which is 150cm approx wide. 28" seems perfect for selvage, a back and a front cut down the selvage. The slightly wider widths are possibly for larger sizes?

http://photobucket.com/albums/y278/andewhall/

[johninger]

Yeah 29" was the most popular for that exact reason andewhall. The ratio of length to width is perfect for trousers.

But then again the next most popular was about 40" and i suppose you could get waist bands or belt loops out of that region.

I hope that itch isn't what i think it is...

... could someone take a photo of me like this

[andewhall]

Yeah true, good call on 40". You could get waistband, belt loops and maybe facings etc. 60" could be good for half selvage.

Does any company make Jeans from shuttle loom denim and not bust the selvage on the outseam? Probably not........was just wondering

http://photobucket.com/albums/y278/andewhall/

[johninger]

yeah lee used to make with half outseam selvage the other half shaped.

not sure if anyone does anymore. I think if they go to the extra expense of buying the selvage they will show it.

Plus, it makes sewing finishing so much easier.

Personally i love really clean interior finish, thats why i love selvage, two felled seams in one leg is not cool and neither is a lot of overlocking.

My favourites are the really high quality suits and silk shirts you buy from tailors, sometimes i just sit there and look at the finishing.

Bit weird yes...

I hope that itch isn't what i think it is...

... could someone take a photo of me like this

[andewhall]

Yeah taylors probably don't even own overlockers!

http://photobucket.com/albums/y278/andewhall/

[super]

Well if you can judge that they're a decent pair of jeans, wide or shuttle denim shouldn't matter at all.

Edited by super on Nov 15, 2005 at 11:15 PM

[Guest Berget__]

Quote:

yeah lee used to make with half outseam selvage the other half shaped.

not sure if anyone does anymore. I think if they go to the extra expense of buying the selvage they will show it.

Plus, it makes sewing finishing so much easier.

Personally i love really clean interior finish, thats why i love selvage, two felled seams in one leg is not cool and neither is a lot of overlocking.

My favourites are the really high quality suits and silk shirts you buy from tailors, sometimes i just sit there and look at the finishing.

Bit weird yes...

--- Original message by johninger on Nov 15, 2005 10:54 PM

I've seen some levis half-selvage as well.

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/hinoya/141935/141939/300712/

I aint gotta get money man money get me

[johninger]

I am not sure if they are selvage.

Have you seen them in real life? Looks like they have used a single stitch folder, basically just folds the edge of the fabric under the other and stitched through both layers (finishing off frayed fabric.

That said I cant get a close enough look at it from that page.

I hope that itch isn't what i think it is...

... could someone take a photo of me like this

[Guest Berget__]

I've never seen them in real life. They do however look similar to a pair of Levis RED selvage jeans i own.

I aint gotta get money man money get me

[Chicken]

this one cracked me up. it looks like there's a selvage edge around the waistband, but not on the outseam:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Club-Monaco-raw-selvage-denim-jeans-straight-leg-31x32_W0QQitemZ290043669011QQihZ019QQcategoryZ11483QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

EDIT: oops, didn't notice this was in supermarket. please disregard this and carry on.