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don't forget that FC and Orslow have non-Japan business that they need to protect or grow - I wouldn't expect changes from TCB, Samurai (already have an export series) or Warehouse....

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I bought a used/unworn pair of 1101 in my size with the arcs and tabs for a cheapo price, so I'm all stocked up on pre-"lawsuit" Full Count jeans.

I understand Levi's being picky about the arcuate design and wanting to protect that, but the tab is just stupid, it's such a universal design element. They might as well sue Vans for putting tabs on their shoes.

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I bet they did...

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@Foxy2 Full Count and Orslow already had adapted their products to other markets.  Orslow by placing their tab on the bottom right of the pocket (as opposed to being on the 'levis' side as it is in Japan), and Full Count were already sold in most markets outside of Japan without the arcs and / or tabs.  This move is something different and I really doubt if these companies would have undertaken such a sudden, and potentially damaging move without some kind of pressure.  And if that is indeed the case, I don't see why other companies wouldn't suffer the same kind of threat.  Warehouse have dealt with copyright issues in pretty clever ways, which might legally stand in their favor.  Their tabs aren't technically tabs and their arcs, well, they are 'different' : )  TCB are more exposed but they've been diversifying of late. 

Personally, I think the above-mentioned companies are simply responding to the demands of the market.  I blame Levis for not taking up the challenge of producing repros that are any worth.  Their repros are cheaply made, poorly researched and executed, and overpriced considering they are mass-produced.  I love old Levis but I almost never buy any LVC stuff for the above reasons. I think Levis should either leave these companies alone and let them continue their labor of love, which is exactly what they're doing, or start making reproductions that are equivalent in quality and price to what the Japanese are producing.  In other words, let their workers do the talking, instead of their lawyers.  Greedy f.ck.rs.

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I'm not so sure if Levi's is really the main reason. Levi's was after all the Japanese brands in 2006/2007 and I doubt Full Count wasn't part of that lawsuit. Also, as the be expected, Levi's won that lawsuit. So now 12 years later, Full Count "suddenly" changes does not necessarily mean Levi's was after them again.

At least in Japan there is no reason for those brands to change and many didn't. Although brands like Flat Head  SDA, Samurai, Iron Heart and so on changed their look.

I really think it's about widening their target market and thus to avoid conflicts with Levi's, better change before you go bigger. But after all orSlow is already widely available overseas and maybe they really got in the way of L.

And I agree with you about LVC ;)

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Maybe you are right.  But if that's the case, why would FC move to something so bland and boring?  I mean there are dozens of companies that make five pocket jeans without any noticeable characteristics, why be one of them? 

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Full Cunt lol

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On 3/15/2019 at 3:21 AM, bartacks said:

I think it will.  I just got a copy of the new leather patches.

 

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lol!

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