tweeds 691,351 Report post Posted September 16, 2009 paul desmond's unmistakeable alto somehow means this album never elevates itself above time out/time further out sound... a laudable attempt to take jazz eastwards in the 60s but it falls prey to cliche to me. still, enjoyable. oh yes, also, SUN RA ARKESTRA. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tweeds 691,351 Report post Posted November 14, 2009 jazz players in here feel free to comment on this: been reading Barthes' Camera Lucida, and what he says about photography being divided into studium and punctum - studied, cultured, intentional setting on the one hand and the punctuating detail that reaches out and elevates the photograph - seems to have some relevance in relation to improvisation as well? take Kind of Blue for example: the studium is the structure, the modal foundation, the setting of the piece, in essence. but what lifts it into greatness is the punctum, the improvisation that rises out of each musician, playing notes that hit the listener perfectly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabriel 2,791 Report post Posted November 16, 2009 That's true. However, although I don't know Barthes enough to have a relevant point of view, I suspect that he was talking about photography from the spectator's point of view and not as an intentional feature created by the artist, nor a cultural framework. Whereas in jazz it's the actual construct of the bop genre -- taking an often trivial popular theme, playing it once and then improvising for the rest of the track -- that establishes this curious dichotomy, making it at once intimate, personal and universal, timeless. It can seem hard to believe that My Favorite Things wasn't written by Coltrane but is an old Broadway song, the equivalent of a Beyoncé hit or something like that. Miles played a Cindy Lauper song. Yusef Lateef took a theme from a cheesy Hollywood movie and made it into a jazz classic. All this through re-appropriation and deconstruction and improvisation. This analogy with Barthes reminds me that jazz was the living inspiration that spawned post-modernism in visual art (of which photography played a huge part), which was probably never fully recognised by either parties. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
readytoignite 196,795 Report post Posted November 16, 2009 haha you crazy kids. i don't think you need to come up with some crazy french philosophy jargon to substitute for more relevant concepts like "composition" and "improvisation." on the downside, they don't make jazz listeners feel smarter. also bebop was not the first subgenre of jazz that used pop standards as source material - it was common during the swing era (when jazz was actually popular) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tweeds 691,351 Report post Posted November 16, 2009 ^ you don't, and it doesn't make you smarter/a better musician, but i just like extending concepts beyond their usual medium or scope to see how it holds together. i have a sneaking suspicion concepts in different fields all come from the same set of perspectives(?), only applied across different media, and so that's how i approach my various interests... again i agree it doesn't make you any better a musician, and i really don't care how smart jazz listeners/players feel when they have all these concepts sitting inside their arse, as long as they play good. but i like working with musicians who have a hold of concepts as well as tunes. Gabriel, good thoughts, will go through it more carefully after dinner 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coleslawyum 661,211 Report post Posted March 22, 2010 Where's this thread gone to? Been trolling through Weldon Irvine's catalog. Great stuff. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lendo 1,901,632 Report post Posted March 23, 2010 had never realized but i think the copy of this is own is a 1st edition, one of my dogs destroyed the cover. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spudeey 100,244 Report post Posted September 19, 2011 Bumpin this. Going to see Wynton next weekend, can't wait 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrjuby 207,302 Report post Posted September 19, 2011 anyone know of any transcriptions like this? 5JdjF7iwCzo arranged by dave matthews around a chopin prelude lt-NZMiCQLg 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spudeey 100,244 Report post Posted October 1, 2011 If you have a chance to see him, do it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djconcarne 108,919 Report post Posted October 2, 2011 Just noticed this thread. fjAL-SfTr_8 Hard bop/free bop/stuff like this is the shit. Seriously. Nothing better as far as music goes in my opinion. So much rhythm... Been getting into a lot of fusion and souly jazz stuff as of late though. H_cTFxvvvAc 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNorthern 710,731 Report post Posted October 6, 2011 so tasty qkogQxKXwZc 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
entropy kid 90,621 Report post Posted October 7, 2011 Constant rotation for a couple of weeks: _ET-7ddAlkw 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmfood 162,691 Report post Posted October 7, 2011 S5hFKqnweN0 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atelier 516 Report post Posted October 7, 2011 If I had to quote the jazz artists I love, i'd just say "the ones who where on the pic of Art Kane : A great day in Harlem". 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pepper davies 1,486,793 Report post Posted October 8, 2011 Anyone into Aaron Parks? I've been listening to Invisible Cinema for a couple years and can never decide how I feel about it. It has a cool Pat Metheny vibe, but feels so clean. I really liked him a lot when I saw him live. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arcarsenal 271,158 Report post Posted October 15, 2011 djconcarne this one is for you. - you still do that TTFM at all? (amkhz = me) b_ac8B92Mcc Dasidi Komolafe = Horace Tapscott, for those who care. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eat skull 205,491 Report post Posted October 15, 2011 v4KTFtytyR4 PoPL7BExSQU 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mapz 422 Report post Posted December 16, 2011 some of my most recent purchases. doug carn: infant eyes janko nilovic: soul impressions david axelrod: songs of innocence 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kH0yA [email protected] 8,010 Report post Posted December 17, 2011 I prefer jazz fusion to straight jazz; my most recent purchase from that particular genre was Billy Cobham's Spectrum. It's a belter. I like Spectrum. Good album. anyone try listening to christian scott? he's got a great cover of Thom Yorke's Eraser and his original material is good too 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djconcarne 108,919 Report post Posted December 17, 2011 djconcarne this one is for you. - you still do that TTFM at all? (amkhz = me) b_ac8B92Mcc Dasidi Komolafe = Horace Tapscott, for those who care. whatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt had no idea you were on here..funny thing, I actually stumbled across that tune. Was part of madlib's medicine show jazz mix too...that whole mix is really a lesson in jazz. people should jump on this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmfood 162,691 Report post Posted December 17, 2011 This is pretty amazing. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blm14 599,709 Report post Posted December 19, 2011 paul desmond's unmistakeable alto somehow means this album never elevates itself above time out/time further out sound... a laudable attempt to take jazz eastwards in the 60s but it falls prey to cliche to me. still, enjoyable. oh yes, also, SUN RA ARKESTRA. I have a copy of that brubeck album. it's really great... I feel like I have been listening to my copy of cannonball and nat adderly "live at the lighthouse" on riverside just about every other day. Highly recommended session! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bleh 34,948 Report post Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) Sun Ra, Steve Reid, Byrd, Cherry I dl'd this record by Getatchew Mekurya + The Ex + Guests called Mos Anbessa, its amazing Edited December 20, 2011 by Bleh 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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