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@chicote It’s the nature of the beast, I’m afraid ... had the same feeling when I had my 1st engineer boots.

U need to tweak your mindset a bit, cuz u’re so used to having things laced up & secured, down there.

Concept is like wearing ur jeans slightly different from how ur used to ... loose & pulled down a bit ... or like, relaxing &  letting your hair down, so to speak :biggrin::laugh2:

edit: ... & boot socks to boot ;)

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Electric shock therapy to the soles of the feet can help raise the arches and create a higher instep

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Maynard, always with the sage advice! Come to think of it, I’ve got an old car battery in the garage that should be just the ticket. I owe you one!

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Engineers never seemed to work for me  
I couldn’t deal with the sloppy feet issue. It ended up giving me bad hot spots on the bottom of my feet.    
I’ve been ruined by wearing lace up smokejumpers for years. So anything that isn’t snug or high arch kills my feet. 

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Thanks for that one also @BrownMetallic!! I’ll have to keep that one in mind next time I try to wear my tcb’s at their proper height, just below the nipples — which councidentally is another spot that I’ve heard stands to benefit from a bit of electricity!

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It’s a 3rd world version of the  truth serum ... I’m told ;):laugh2:

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1 hour ago, shredwin_206 said:

Engineers never seemed to work for me  
I couldn’t deal with the sloppy feet issue. It ended up giving me bad hot spots on the bottom of my feet.    
I’ve been ruined by wearing lace up smokejumpers for years. So anything that isn’t snug or high arch kills my feet. 

Supposedly, another engineer by Whites is coming out as part of a collab with Max again.

I saw how you battled your Chromexcel boots so that inspired my Wesco order.

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Right, Maynard’s suggestion didn’t work, and actually upset me quite a bit, and Brownmetallic’s alternative reminded me of an investigative piece I read about certain TSA checkpoints, so I’m going to try and entertain the more well-intentioned ideas from the rest of you.

@beautiful_FrEaK thank you! I tried using some saphir insoles but they didn’t seem to make a difference. A tongue pad might, though! @persco_ I reckon you’re right; I’m leaning towards them being too long generally but am also wondering whether my thin-ish foot is just not the right shape for a boot with such a wide shaft. Here’s a quick drawing of where I feel my foot is in the boot:

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The problem is mainly the frontmost blue region; my foot slips up into that area when taking a step. Is that a sensation others have with this sort of boot? Should most of the “grab” come from the toe and heel, or is there supposed to be additional support to the top of the foot that I’m not getting? I’m interested in finding a pair a size down and seeing if it makes a difference, but now am having doubts as to whether this sort of shoe would ever work for me.

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@mlwdp I’m a whites diehard so I will probably give those engineers a shot when they release. :) 

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@chicote the boot is just too big - a pull on boot that is the correct size will stay on without issues. If you’re not used to a pull on boot then the feeling of ‘slip’ is initially quite noticeable but that’s a confidence issue and disappears as you become used to the boot

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@chicote - from my limited experience via redwing I find that my pecos [which the farmer boots seem more akin to] fit a lot more loosely than my 2268 engineers [which initially gripped with an iron vice like nature on the top of the vamp] - I enjoy both fits now [the engineers relented in the end]; but found that the cowboy style boot was a lot looser, a little bit like comfy vans...

[I remember searching on this; and recall something about cowboy boots needing to have a quick release of the foot in case of falling off the horse and the boot being caught in the stirrup? I welcome being corrected by those who know more]

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Copped my first pair of Feit footwear. Chelsea Rubber boots. I've been following Feit since their inception, always kinda interested in them. When I saw these on sale, the price was good enough for me to try them. They graciously shipped a 42 and 43 and let me send back the pair that doesn't fit. I went with the 43. It's a bit long in the toe, but the width and volume are good. I have wide feet and prefer EE and EEE sizes, so they're not quite ideal, but good enough for random casual wear.

The leather is described as veg-tanned semi-cordovan. From I can learn, it's hind quarter horse hide that contains the shell layer. I've seen this used on other JP footwear brands, including TFH. These boots are an interesting blend on rustic, refined, and rugged. Craftsmanship is top-notch, but not as perfect as the high end custom makers. Fully hand stitched GYW by one master craftsman. Made from a single piece of leather with only one seam at the back. The fit is very comfortable. They're one of the few pairs of boots with a heel that I can tolerate. This is largely due tot he sloped heel block and no built-in arch support. Overall very pleased. 

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Any advice on MOTO sizing? Trying to decide whether I might fit a 3—been going back and forth on this for months now

I wear a 10.5 in Red Wing and White's, 9.5 in Lofgren, 44 in most European brands I've tried, 28.0 in Japanese sneakers

I think I'm about a true 28.0–28.5 (with socks), and most of what's confusing is the discrepancies between their various listed size charts: on the item page for the plain toe oxfords (http://www.motostyle.jp/moto/01mens-shoes/2100/2100.html), they list a size 3 as 28.0–28.5, which seems great; meanwhile, on the shop page for the same (http://store-motostyle.jp/?pid=140360641), they list a size 3 as simply 28.0, which could go either way; and, on their general sizing page (http://store-motostyle.jp/?mode=f1), they list a size 3 as 27.0–28.0, which I'd say doesn't bode well at all

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I used to own the MOTO Pecos in Size 2. I wear US 9.5D in Red Wing Iron Rangers. I managed to get into the MOTOs but getting them on and off was a paoin. Once I was in it was okay. I probably would have preferred a size 3 so it will be close if they will fit you (although length wise I think it could work based on my experiences).

I really like MOTO but can't get behind their offering in sizes (basically only 4 sizes for many styles?!). And those aren't Oxfords but that's another topic :D 

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Butts and Shoulders Heritage Boots, roughly 10 months of wear.

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Black horse custom BH - copied from the 350 cutter. 

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very nice. a very strong yes to that! been looking at the east west smokejumper with Vibram 700 sole, juggling that against the cutter: I think you have found a perfect synthesis... why the half-sole may I ask? avoids stiffness?

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those are my dream boots @bartlebyyphonics get em! perfect makeup i didnt know i wanted. i look at the page at least once a month just to gawk at the pics :D

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52 minutes ago, oomslokop said:

those are my dream boots @bartlebyyphonics get em! perfect makeup i didnt know i wanted. i look at the page at least once a month just to gawk at the pics :D

teehee!

once a month? three times a day! had been looking at some black scotch grain yuketen maine guide boots; but these really do carry the day...

it is the lace-to-toe of dreams... [other contenders, wesco jobmaster, the lovely onderhoud  and the two Lofgren offerings; monkey and donkey] def. wanting a UK supplier for possible returns re: sizing , and currently iron heart have put ??? soles on their jobmaster setups...my problem with the eastwest whites is their brownness - black is the dream... hence impressedness at the above [and from further inspection I see the half-sole allows a more mono-chrome and elegant heel too... yesyes]

oh boots...

[edit: I realise I am looking at them more and more as a displaced activity of going outside... to dream of a normal lyf... to wear incredible boots within ones home to go to the fridge or walk around the block for the 200th time ... ]

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I was also looking hard at eastwest! I was close to ordering from them but am an e width in whites. And the lofgren boots were up there too. then whites had their Black Friday discount and that pushed me over the edge because it meant I could get the E width in horsehide for a good price. 
 

half soles, no strong preference. I flip flopped between different options. I’ve had both types before. 

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Empty Garage sells some pretty good Whites as well.

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Buying whites from Japan doesn’t make any sense though. You’ll pay about £800 plus taxes. Mine cost me about £400 from bakers. 
 

are there japan exclusive options on whites?

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def. for UK shoppers: indeed agreeing, price changes pretty dramatically...

always impressed at your range of boot horizons @mlwdp and your dedication to getting custom builds from u.s. @fre-co ...

leather options on empty garage look pretty crazy!

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I really like White’s boots despite the near atrocious finishing at times - they wear and develop so well, and they seem to have a vintage vibe (for me anyway) right out of the box. The one thing I don’t get is the options on exotic hides, the lizard, ostrich, shark, caiman etc. Bog standard construction with top end leather is a crazy mismatch.

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