A.P.C.

[Guest crazy4kix]

and another question how come on contextclothing.com the measurements for petite standards are slimmer than new cures? i thought petite standards were in between NS and NC but the measurements clearly show that the PS are the skinniest. can anybody clarify this for me?

[h2oyelnats]

that's a mix up...from what i heard ^^

[eplsoccer7]

so for the first three months they will practically stay the same?

Well it really varies. I didn't lose much indigo until the 2nd month. The 1st month you probably wont see much change unless you are an extreme wearer. I know biking daily in mine really helped them to progress. It all depends on your fit as well. All I can say is wear them and don't wash them.

[poteto]

i let my bf borrow my ns for 2 days.. i jsut got them back today, was all happy at first until i smelled it. i called to yell at him, he tells me.. one of the days, he was running in the rain and they got soaked, so he took them off and put them in his backpack along with his knee pads.. great >,>;; i'm gonna steam them tomorrow morning.

[Medine]

Well it really varies. I didn't lose much indigo until the 2nd month. The 1st month you probably wont see much change unless you are an extreme wearer. I know biking daily in mine really helped them to progress. It all depends on your fit as well. All I can say is wear them and don't wash them.

I agree, just wear them everyday... im just starting to see any large amounts of fading, and im half-way through my 4th month

[yoyosup]

APC NS at 11 months, washed whenever they got filthy (around 6-8 times). I hate the stupid dirty no contrast lap fades!

[Guest crazy4kix]

are NC's slimmer than levi 511's?

what about PS's are the slimmer than levi 511's?

[eplsoccer7]

are NC's slimmer than levi 511's?

what about PS's are the slimmer than levi 511's?

Im pretty sure NCs are virtually skin tight. Just look at some of the fits people post for reference. Muscular thighs don't fly. I would know.

[Hendodo]

are NC's slimmer than levi 511's?

what about PS's are the slimmer than levi 511's?

all around, the 511's are less snug

[cJajce]

first rinse. one year.

i'll post some fit pics in the near future.

[bebop]

Just got my Petit Standards in the mail.

Got a size 26 ( Actual waist is 28-29)

I can just barely button all the way up, but it's not too tight.

To those with these already, do you think I'm fine or should i get one more size up?

Here's some pics of the fit.

[THREEPOINTsix]

when u guys say sizing down 2 for NS.. does it mean size down by the tagged size or the actual waist size from the chart ? I measured my waist and its 29.5 inches.. should i get a tagged size 27 with the real waist of 29 or the tagged size 25 with the real waist 27 ?

[aqhong]

I can just barely button all the way up, but it's not too tight.

To those with these already, do you think I'm fine or should i get one more size up?

They'll stretch, so if anything, you should size down, not up. If you don't like a snug fit, though, stick with what you have.

when u guys say sizing down 2 for NS.. does it mean size down by the tagged size or the actual waist size from the chart ? I measured my waist and its 29.5 inches.. should i get a tagged size 27 with the real waist of 29 or the tagged size 25 with the real waist 27 ?

I'd say tagged 26 would be right for you; they'd be a true 28 new, and would easily stretch two inches from there. I have a 30-31ish waist, and wear 27 comfortably.

[sh0ebox]

Just got my Petit Standards in the mail.

Got a size 26 ( Actual waist is 28-29)

I can just barely button all the way up, but it's not too tight.

To those with these already, do you think I'm fine or should i get one more size up?

Here's some pics of the fit.

The size should be fine if you're looking for a little bit of a relaxed fit. It almost looks like you're sagging them in the rear picture but the front picture says otherwise.

You could probably size down one if you want a more fitted look. I couldn't button my NCs up all the way when I received mine.... I got all but the top button done with a bit of effort... but now I can button them up fine and they're slowly stretching.

when u guys say sizing down 2 for NS.. does it mean size down by the tagged size or the actual waist size from the chart ? I measured my waist and its 29.5 inches.. should i get a tagged size 27 with the real waist of 29 or the tagged size 25 with the real waist 27 ?

Size down 2 from the tagged size. My actual waist is ~30.5" and I got a tagged size 26 which I measured to be ~28" without dip right out of the box.

[KETCH.]

when u guys say sizing down 2 for NS.. does it mean size down by the tagged size or the actual waist size from the chart ? I measured my waist and its 29.5 inches.. should i get a tagged size 27 with the real waist of 29 or the tagged size 25 with the real waist 27 ?

Wait ur nowhere near a 27 why would you get a 25.

If your a 29.5, get a 27 for a fitted fit, or a 26 for a tight fit.

[vince.s]

Wait ur nowhere near a 27 why would you get a 25.

If your a 29.5, get a 27 for a fitted fit, or a 26 for a tight fit.

he asked that cause he wanted to size down 2 from 29 to accomodate for stretching but tag 27 is measured to be almost 29.

Size down 2 from the tagged size. My actual waist is ~30.5" and I got a tagged size 26 which I measured to be ~28" without dip right out of the box.

does this apply to NCs too? my true waist is about 29, and i want to get a tagged 26 (assuming it's vanity sized down two)

your NCs look GREAT btw, i'm looking for a fit like yours

[Markk]

When sizing down, should I size down three on the red highlighted part? I'm a 30 waist, and want to size down three to a 27, so should I go down to the "tagged size" 26? Thanks.

[HBlack]

Im pretty sure NCs are virtually skin tight. Just look at some of the fits people post for reference. Muscular thighs don't fly. I would know.

no they're not. you just got fat legs.

edit: to dude above, i'd say get a 28. 27 will be painful for a while/very tight always.

[Markk]

I've seen a sized down three fit, and made up my mind, thanks for the help though. But, if I want to size down three from a size 30 waist, what size "tagged waist" should I buy?

Edit, they're NS's by the way, not NC's.

[vince.s]

no they're not. you just got fat legs.

edit: to dude above, i'd say get a 28. 27 will be painful for a while/very tight always.

to me or Markk? If me, basically size down 1-2 from true waist of 29 to 27-28?

[Charlie Delta]

OK, here goes:

-APC New Standard: Normally, people like to size down between 1-3 on these. They are a straighter legged cut, wider leg openings, and a very standard profile - this is not to say that they are not tapered and slimming; they are, but less so than the NC. This has a lot to do with how much you size down on them: the more you size down, the slimmer the leg will be from the knee down. While they can be worn baggy or tight, that is to the wearer's discretion. New Standards are selvage denim, and if you refer to any picture of them, they will tell you so. NS now come in indigo and black raw denim, so you can go either way. The sizing on the black is a tad bit different due to the denim by affected by a different dye, but it should not affect the overall sizing. YES, these jeans do stretch, that is why you size down considerably from what your real waist is. Knee bulge will happen if you get them sized down considerably, but will not ruin your jeans. If you soak them, they will shrink some and assume a form closer to their original shape. Many dispute whether the indigo and raw black have sizing differences - I believe the raw black are a bit tighter due to the nature of the dye, but because they are APC's, the stretching property of the denim remains the same, and you can safetly assume that the jeans will stretch in time to conform to your body.

-APC New Cure: New Cures are very similar to NS, save for the fact that they do not have a visible selvage line and have a tapered leg opening. The silhouette is much slimmer and generally tighter. Most people size down only 1-2 (I sized down 2) on these. But, like other APC jeans, they stretch considerably after a couple weeks of wear. APC NC's have been made in indigo and a prewashed grey denim, and there has been no indication that they will be doing black, as of yet. The different between New Cures and Cures is just that, one is a more recent version of the other. The Cure, generally, has been the women's version of the NC, but APC seems to make jeans on a unisex level, so they can go either way.

-APC Rescue: I personally have not ever owned one of these, but from what I hear they are a fuller, straighter, and more utilitarian cut. Compared to the NS, the thigh is considerably wider, and from the knee down, the cut is very straight and accomodating. I have been told this is the cut for people with wider quads or thighs or even calves because it is cut to fit a fuller individual. It seems that many people size down 1-2 sizes from the tagged to achieve a comfortable look. Dunno if you can go tight with these like NS's or NC's, but if Rescue warer's want to chip in some info, I'll be happy to add it. They have a much wider leg opening, little to no taper across the board. Rescues are selvage with the visible selvage line like NS's.

DO NOT WORRY IF THEY ARE RIDICULOUSLY STIFF WHEN YOU GET THEM, THAT IS THE NATURE OF QUALITY RAW/DRY DENIM. THEY WILL SOFTEN UP IN ~30 WEARS (2 WEEKS IF YOU WEAR THEM EVERY DAY). THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WILL BE FLIMSY, IT MEANS THEY WILL ADHERE TO YOUR BODY AND BECOME MORE AND MORE COMFORTABLE. APC DENIM IS TOUGH AS NAILS AND THE ONLY REAL WAY TO RIP THEM IS TO DO SPLITS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL THAT IS.

SO, what have we learned:

-NS: size down between 1-3, if you're unsure, go 2 or 1. These are tapered-straight leg, and have a wider leg opening than NC's - selvage

-NC: size down between 1-2, if unsure, just 1. These are a tapered straight leg, and have a slimmer opening below the knee than NS's - selvage (selvage line is not visible due to taper)

-Rescue: size down between 1-2, more if needed. Straight leg, fuller thigh and calf area. Full leg opening, little to no taper - selvage

-APC inseams are usually as such: waist 25-30: 32-34" inseam/ waist 31-36: 34-36" inseam

-Many are confused why you size down from the tagged size with APC's - this is known as vanity sizing. This entails that the jeans are cut usually a size or two bigger than what they are tagged as, and because APC denim is normally raw, that they will stretch considerably from the tagged size. DO not fear sizing down, it is your friend!

-When soaking your APC's, it is generally best to do a 2 hour soak in hot water. I am prone to add ~2 small gobs of Woolite Dark, and when they are finished, rap them in a towel, pat till excess water is out, hang to dry, wear if you want them to stretch a bit.

-When washing your APC's, just wash them as you would any regular pair of jeans, but DO NOT put them in the dryer if you are afraid they might shrink too much. Cotton will always shrink when exposed to heat for extended periods of time.

-If you jeans do shrink a bit, do not fear, you can always just stretch them by hand. One handy method is when they are out of the dryer, get a clamp hanger, bring them somewhere where you have enough space to hold them out horizontally, make sure the clamps on the hanger are tight, and pull. This will stretch it a bit, but the most effective way to get your denim to stretch back out is to wear them dry. This may take a couple of hours, so consider washing your jeans on a weekend when you have nothing to do.

-APC's feel a little baggy? Do this to help them form up a bit more: do the steam shower method for removing the smell, take your time in the shower, and then once you are done, let them hang outside. Cotton naturally shrinks in heat, and the steam will tighten up the fibers and make them contract. Hang them outside and let them sit for a bit. When you put them on later, they will be a tad bit more snug than they were, but they will stretch out. This is not a permanent stretching method, this is just something I do to slim them up in the morning's before I put in a full day of wear.

-Smell Tips: As we all know, raw denim requires us not to wash our jeans for 6 months. Well, some of us sweat more than others (I know I do), so our jeans sometimes become a little riper than we want them too - never fear! Here are a few helpful tips to hold of the stench for a bit.

• Soak your jeans: Don't be afraid to give your jeans a nice soak, just follow the instructions I outlined before and they should be fine. If anything, they fade faster after a nice good soaking, and they smell less. They'll be a bit less starchy a stiff, but thats always a plus.
  
• Fabric Deodorants: Febreeze, bar soap, etc. Don't worry, their not harmful to your jeans. Febreeze is pretty self explanitory. For a quick fix, grab a bar of soap, some paper towel and do as follows. Rub the soap on the paper towel until theres visibly some soap on the towel. Add a bit of water if you want to make it less cake-y. Apply to smelly areas. Let hang for 10-15 minutes while they air out, and you're good to go. If you have other not-harmful-to-fabric deodorants, I'm sure you can utilize them they way you want.
  
• Don't be afraid to steam your jeans: Get a clamp hanger, run a hot shower, and bring your jeans in with you. Obviously, try not the get them wet, but sometimes its hard not too, don't worry, it can't hurt. Let the shower steam up, open up the buttons and let the steam get into the jeans as much as possible. This, usually requires a longer shower, so do it on an off day. Let them hang in the shower for a bit after you're done so they can get any exess steam.
  
• Hang them outside: Grab a clamp hanger, and hang them overnight outside. Pretty simple.
  
• Freezer Method: Fold up the jeans, put a little baking power on smelly areas, and let them sit overnight or for several hours. Should help to remove smell. Can't say if it will save your freezer from the smell though.
  
• Just wash the damn things if they smell that bad.[It's not the end of the world.
  
• If you get bugs, then thats kinda gross. You should wash them.

NS's, NC's, and Rescue's are all around $140 at most retailers that stock them. If you are unhappy with them once you receive them, do not worry, you can always resell them. There are plenty of people who would take a brand new pair of APC's w/ tags off your hands for close if not the same price as you paid. Also, do yourself a favor and try and go to a store to try them on, its the only real way to be sure of your purchase. NOTE TO RESELLERS/SECONDARY MARKET BUYERS: Ask for measurements... always! You can never be certain of your waist vs. an APC size unless you have proper measurements or are able to try them on! This is a biggie.

Places to Purchase APC Denim:

• http://www.apc.fr
  
• http://www.contextclothing.com
  
• http://www.barneys.com
  
• http://www.tobi.com
  
• http://helloblackbird.blogspot.com

I hope this will help everyone. I will revise this post every time I feel that there is more to contribute or if something is unclear. Feel free to contribute knowledge or correct me, but please do it in a courteous manner - I'm doing this for your benefit, so don't be a jerk. Thanks!

Good luck and enjoy your A.P.C's!

[__Nicholas]

i got my size 25 petit standards in the mail today. the fit is perfect. i am still having trouble getting the top button done. the cut is dramatically better than the new standards. heres a comparison, the first pic is brand new size 25 new standards, the second pic is brand new size 25 petit standards.

the ps look alot better in real life, the stacks look pretty unsettled in that picture.

[myclue]

i sort of like the ns fit over the ps. i don't know. just my opinion.

[__Nicholas]

well my legs are so damn skinny, they fit well in the thighs but looked super goofy from the knee down, they almost looked wider from the knee down than the did in the thighs

[myclue]

i think the problem is in the picture, not the denim. you're not wearing a shirt with the ns, while the flannel you're wearing with the ps is a little billowy so its a weird contrast seeing your skinny legs come out of it. its probably just the pictures though. nice purchase.

[__Nicholas]

yea the pictures arent the best. ill take a better picture of the petit standards when they fully stretch out in a few weeks.

[Indigo~]

im sure u will getting the top button done, they will stretch..

i really like ur both fit in ns and nc.. great fit..

next time put ur shirt on dude.. lol.

happy wearing..

[kblk]

__Nicholas you are damn skinny!

[Wuzeydeuce]

sh0ebox where did you order from that had a 32.5 inseam? I'm about the same height as you and they look great on you.

[eplsoccer7]

no they're not. you just got fat legs.

edit: to dude above, i'd say get a 28. 27 will be painful for a while/very tight always.

My legs are shredded mayne. I hit the weights and I have an athletic body. Not like most of you guys who are skinnier than most girls.