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12 hours ago, Kamikaze said:

On the p30 pocket tearing issue, are you guys moving the excess fabric to the back which might shift the pocket layout to where you would be sitting on them? 
 

just curious as my friend has this issue but mines is fine 

I feel like this happens if you shift it to the front, placing more tension on that back pockets array, no? With that said, when tightening the pants, this is just naturally how the placement they'll sit in.

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6 minutes ago, FelixRevolt said:

I’m just waiting for the Acronym popper pants.

honestly wouldn't be surprised if that happens... SpeedStripÆ 

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On 11/17/2021 at 6:29 AM, moneytalks said:

 

 

and how crisp it feels when new is unbeatable 

just got mine, 'crisp' is apt! can't believe how different these feel from broken in epic.

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quick reviews:

 

p41-ds: the cut is really good and the lower leg engineering is v similar to p37 with the darting and contour panels. this satisfies my desire for p37-ds i think. i find the cargo pockets much more usable  and less noticeable when loaded than the p24a and p30a style pocket setup, but this is only because i have both types of pants. both types work well on their own. some pants only work well with hem zip closed, but these work well both ways.

p30a-e: the material is very nice to touch and i think overall the garment is lighter than the -ds version. initial impression after a few hours of wear is that these are noisier "crunchier" than the -ds version. the combination of lightweight + densely woven non-stretch fabric gives the feeling of being less breathable but i haven't gotten hot enough for it to be of concern so the breathability remains unknown. one note about the fabric is that because it is light and not stiff, the main cargo pockets are somewhat difficult to close single handed without the zipper collapsing/folding. this also happens on the -ds version, but the -s version (p24a) are relatively ok with single handed zipper closing. 

i haven't handled any -e fabrics of the past so can't comment on past generations, but i like it enough to consider trying the p10 version of this fabric.

 

 

update: the -e fabric seems to have an affinity for cat hair. i just picked up my cat and the pants have become very furry. could just be the 'newness' time will tell.

Edited by chris_n

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Anyone got pics of the olive 3A-5/6ts in regular lighting?

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Have to say that when I got my P30a-E that I was really rather disappointed compared to the V1.0 ds iterations, material felt unsubstantial especially given it is for 4 season use.

Far less comfortable as the material has no give.

Anyway, long story short, I sent them back and got a refund. My goopimade pants are far more comfortable given the similarities in fabric and a fraction of the cost but still look as good in my humblest of opinions.

Needless to say I'll get the DS version if I can find any in the alpha colour here in the UK, but I'll avoid the E-nylon in the future.

 

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1 hour ago, TEKsevenZERO said:

Have to say that when I got my P30a-E that I was really rather disappointed compared to the V1.0 ds iterations, material felt unsubstantial especially given it is for 4 season use.

Far less comfortable as the material has no give.

Anyway, long story short, I sent them back and got a refund. My goopimade pants are far more comfortable given the similarities in fabric and a fraction of the cost but still look as good in my humblest of opinions.

Needless to say I'll get the DS version if I can find any in the alpha colour here in the UK, but I'll avoid the E-nylon in the future.

 

I must agree with your comments as well as those of chris_n above. The P30A-E's are a nice fit, well made and generally the design and pocket layout is good. The encapsulated nylon material is noisy, thin (light shines right through it), it doesn't stretch at all unlike the DS, and it is "cold." I wore my pants for the first time this morning when walking my loyal Bull Terrier and my legs were cold. (I live in Canada and the temperature was below freezing.)The E material seems to wick the heat out of my legs much quicker than DS trousers (both pants uninsulated.)

Another thing to consider is stain resistance. I stopped on my way home from work to grab a burger at a fast food place. While eating the burger, some beef fat squirted onto the leg of the pants. I eat my burgers plain so it was not a topping stain; only been grease (tallow.) I am still trying to wash the grease stain out of these pants using "Shout" "OxyClean" and the instructions on the washing tab.

All-in-all I will stick with DS Products in the future!

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both DS and E are easily 4 season pants, just that one pair is more comfortable in summer, one is more comfortable in winter

can't have it all 

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Interesting to hear opinions on the E fabric, didn’t think it would be as polarising. Personally E feels great in warmer conditions. But as for the Alpha Green, I’ve found it marks up easily. I had a pair of pants hanging in my wardrobe and the cobra buckle on them left a dark mark on the thigh area.

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e is increasingly sounding like something to avoid, doesn’t seem to be the high everyone hoped for, glad I waited, going to skip the p30-e

not ruling it out completely, will wait & see what acronym cook up in the spring/summer and see if e is worth the trip

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currently have these in E: P10A, P10, P30A, P38, P34
without a doubt the best material for acr pants if you're in the tropics

the only problem i've had with this is having had a few tiny drops of bleach unfortunately fall on the thigh area of my P10A, which immediately turned into tiny spots of clouded grey that could not be rubbed/cleaned off. however i fixed them with a fabric marker, no biggie

if you find yourself in cooler climate then it makes sense to go with DS, which is the only other fully synthetic material that acr pants come in

this is my acr profile atm: i rate e, and i'm still looking for a J68-S in black medium (holla @ me) 

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In my own experience, -e is better than -ds in summer weather. Obviously, if you wear a thin nylon pant at temps below freezing point that's not gonna fly... but that doesn't mean the material is bad. 

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Team-E over here. live in NL - it gets kinda cold but not super cold in winter. P34-E were my go to pants last year and P30-E will be this year. prefer layering under a light pant personally (if it gets super cold). also suits the cycling life a little more (less sweaty... dries out after quicker after the inevitable rain). the beauty of choice, I guess...

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From a military/mountaineering perspective Epic was always intended to be paired with a base layer in cold weather. It is almost entirely designed around being extremely fast to dry - they call it 'walk dry' in the mil, where after immersion or heavy rain the user needs to be able to continue doing whatever they were tasked to do and dry while doing it.

 

edit for grammar mistake

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-E is really great, especially in black clw compared with a black -DS.

Due to skin contact -DS has visible light grey marks on the waist, hand/cargo pockets entry areas, also grey spots constantly emerge on my diaper area between the legs, kinda the pants attract and absorb dust. I believe u'll see the same if examine your pair of black p30-ds. It's frustrating. I sold all my black -DS. No issue with -DS in RAF and Alpha, they r ok. Atm i prefer P30A-DS in alpha green over P30A-E alpha (they r less green irl). Both -E and colored -DS are easy to care.

-E in black is more dark grey than black, therefore, the details are clearly visible on -E than on a true black -DS. 

-E isn't so noisy. -WS (like on the J61, J47A etc) is a bit louder than -E irl. Loud -E is a gimmick. -E becomes quiet and soft over time.

-E fabric feels cheap. -DS, -CH, -S has more solid/luxury feel. But -E is the most durable.

-E is less stretchy than -DS, but there's no need of extra stretch for an ultra wide pants.

P.S. Weird but P30A-E in Navy and Alpha have a slightly different type (texture) of -E fabric, my straight out from the bag navy pair is already pretty soft and quite.

Also, my other pairs of P30A-E are well made, the quality is definitely better than on the pants from my previous post. QC is unstable. Same as for P30A-DS.

Edited by Yan90

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7 hours ago, moneytalks said:

currently have these in E: P10A, P10, P30A, P38, P34

Really pulled up on me like that, huh... :(

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At long last received my P10-E from mothersite. A little bit less claustrophobic than S, but not by much. Really hope they stretch a little in the long run, because the thighs look absolutely painted on right now. Waist is generous, biggest difference with S. I definitely need a belt at 185 cm / 96 kg. I have two still-in-their-original-box DS pairs that I will definitely not sell now that I've compared with E. But keeping both (sold most of my pairs in S.)

I think P24A-E, which I guess is now destined to be a SS22 item, might be a perfect use of this material, at least for me.  P10-E is probably a really great choice for people not attending the church of squats.

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planning to use my E version for summer seasons and DS for winter/ fall. Most of the complain I have with E version is that the cuff design with this non-elastic fabric really limits the overall movement, tested again without cuff and feels all good. 

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6 hours ago, hentaiyarou69 said:

Can anyone comment on the warmth of the J58-WS against the J68-PL?

i have the original climashield j58-ws and the j68-pl, they are pretty much the same thing regarding warmth. in action the insulation via elastic hem wins vs the speedlock.

while i find the j68 visually much more pleasing and interesting as standalone, i dont think it is a great midlayer:
- no shell connection
- the collar of your shell can feel pretty tight (2.2 haters spotlight on)
- if you get to a quadruple speedlock scenario with your shell, you are in for some annoying fiddling

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9 hours ago, moneytalks said:

currently have these in E: P10A, P10, P30A, P38, P34
without a doubt the best material for acr pants if you're in the tropics

the only problem i've had with this is having had a few tiny drops of bleach unfortunately fall on the thigh area of my P10A, which immediately turned into tiny spots of clouded grey that could not be rubbed/cleaned off. however i fixed them with a fabric marker, no biggie

if you find yourself in cooler climate then it makes sense to go with DS, which is the only other fully synthetic material that acr pants come in

this is my acr profile atm: i rate e, and i'm still looking for a J68-S in black medium (holla @ me) 

Does E-material begin to drape better over time with extensive wear? I feel like the new crunchiness drapes awkwardly in drop crotch area on p30s.

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4 hours ago, aru said:

i have the original climashield j58-ws and the j68-pl, they are pretty much the same thing regarding warmth. in action the insulation via elastic hem wins vs the speedlock.

while i find the j68 visually much more pleasing and interesting as standalone, i dont think it is a great midlayer:
- no shell connection
- the collar of your shell can feel pretty tight (2.2 haters spotlight on)
- if you get to a quadruple speedlock scenario with your shell, you are in for some annoying fiddling

agree with this 100% - my workaround is to wear the J68 under a J61-WS rather than one of the more close fitting GT pro shells, which I don't find I really need for snow anyway. 

 

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13 hours ago, hentaiyarou69 said:

Can anyone comment on the warmth of the J58-WS against the J68-PL?

J58 fully zipped and cuffs buttoned is a bit warmer and holds warmth better than J68 even with the J68 fully zipped and hem cinched/cuffs zipped and strapped. the advantage with the 68 is being able to regulate temp with the zipped sleeve openings and hem adjustment, but you could never be fully "satisfied" with the warmth if using on its own.

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