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I wore my P30A 300+ times and they have no signs of ripping whatsoever. Nobody else in the subneet discord has reported this issue either. Weird.

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Got both p30a-e and p10-e, this really is my favourite acr material of all time

 

and how crisp it feels when new is unbeatable 

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wait until you feel how soft it is once you''ve had it a few years. i have a now 15 year old pcu jacket and it's like wearing pajamas.

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23 minutes ago, Inkinsurgent said:

wait until you feel how soft it is once you''ve had it a few years. i have a now 15 year old pcu jacket and it's like wearing pajamas.

Don’t know what that is, pretty sure encapsulated nylon hasn’t been around that long but I’ve had my P10A-E for over a year and a half and it feels the same after like 20 washes, just not crispy new 

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1 hour ago, moneytalks said:

Don’t know what that is, pretty sure encapsulated nylon hasn’t been around that long but I’ve had my P10A-E for over a year and a half and it feels the same after like 20 washes, just not crispy new 

Nextec Epic Glacier, the fabric used by acronym, has been around since the very early 00's. My PCU L5 (this thing) uses the same fabric and was made in 2004. Maybe when my P10e's arrive i'll do an "old meets new" fit with both or something.

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1 minute ago, Inkinsurgent said:

Nextec Epic Glacier, the fabric used by acronym, has been around since the very early 00's. My PCU L5 (this thing) uses the same fabric and was made in 2004. Maybe when my P10e's arrive i'll do an "old meets new" fit with both or something.

Can confirm. Acr -E pieces were made from  Epic Glacier nylon fabric.

I have some raw Nextec Glacier fabric and its definitely the same. 

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I love encapsulated nylon, but to follow up on the squat ass comment, it turns out it doesn't have enough give to be comfortable if you've got the thick thighs :'(

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The P10 and p30 have a "new" size tags. Made from a shitty material. New level of a MIC  products. Feels cheap af. Literally like on acr fakes. 

Also they have soo crooked stitching. What a shame. Lmao

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It’s interesting that for both p10-e and p30a-e mothersite includes them as Made in USA but their caretag days Made in China. It would probably be more transparent to mention that Encapsulated Nylon is created in the USA and the pants are constructed in China. Production size likely a factor as to why there’s still a lot of stock sitting 48 hrs later.

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5 minutes ago, jeddyhsu said:

It’s interesting that for both p10-e and p30a-e mothersite mentions them as Made in USA but their caretag days Made in China. Probably a large factor as to why there’s still a lot of stock sitting 48 hrs later.

The -E fabric made in USA, same as -DS made in Switzerland. Not the garment. 

P.S. P10 are well made , better than p30 imo. 

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2 minutes ago, jeddyhsu said:

It’s interesting that for both p10-e and p30a-e mothersite mentions them as Made in USA but their caretag days Made in China. Probably a large factor as to why there’s still a lot of stock sitting 48 hrs later.

It's a trap. That only means fabric is made in USA.

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Guess I would call that fake if I dont know it's directly from mothersite... That tag and stiching, really no better than fakes now. The first MICs, like P30A 1.0, J1A 2.2 and GTKP are very good, but starting from J68PL the quality is getting worse each season.

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It's rather telling that for all their rationalising of MIC, they go to the effort of listing the fabric's country of origin but not the entire garment's country of origin.

 

edit: i dont think my MIC p10ds are any less well constructed than my czech P10CH and if that holds for the P10e i'll be more than happy with them but jeez guys, just own it. Arc'teryx even lists the goddamn chinese factory the garment is made in these days.

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yeaaa the differences in quality between mic and mie becoming more apparent with every drop. i've stopped buying retail after the j1bgt and p30ads which had flaws of their own. im glad there really hasn't been anything that i absolutely most own from the recent retail drops. 

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It seems like the direction of acr brand is in a dilemma. They want to make larger quantity in lower cost to expand the influence by using chinese factory, the idea is ok. However this actually seperated the brand into two lines by price and accessibility. For new customers, the main resource for them to try their first acr garment is likely to be the retailer all around,  which provide lower price MIC products. And the bad thing is, how will they know there is such diffference bt MIC and MIE? Or how many of them will actually realise there are two "levels" of product, which all looks the same, under the same brand with similiar fabric and name, but different price and build quality?

But just like mentioned in the beginning, it's a dilemma. If they want all products, no matter MIC or MIE, to have the same level of quality, the advantages wont show obviously on price and productivity. Or if they create a sub-brand like ACR ESSENTIALS, that cheaper product prob can't share the fame and popular models from ACR brand. But either way is better than guessing which season's, or which specific MIC model will be good or bad everey time, it's that uncertainty makes people feel bad. 

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No worries, soon u'll see some real acr essentials from the retailer's SS22 drop. Hehe

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Wanna ask US ppl how much import fees for your P30AE from mothersite? 

UPS trying to charge $174 for that and I only paid $110 for P38E, which is $300+ more expensive than P30AE... Not sure if warehouse got wrone code? 

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5 minutes ago, kkuer99 said:

Wanna ask US ppl how much import fees for your P30AE from mothersite? 

UPS trying to charge $174 for that and I only paid $110 for P38E, which is $300+ more expensive than P30AE... Not sure if warehouse got wrone code? 

The amount varies based on materials and type of garment. Which isn’t to say they didn’t use the proper code lol

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5 minutes ago, kkuer99 said:

Wanna ask US ppl how much import fees for your P30AE from mothersite? 

UPS trying to charge $174 for that and I only paid $110 for P38E, which is $300+ more expensive than P30AE... Not sure if warehouse got wrone code? 

maybe the mic tariff? not sure if that's still a thing as i haven't ordered in a while

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5 hours ago, kkuer99 said:

Guess I would call that fake if I dont know it's directly from mothersite... That tag and stiching, really no better than fakes now. The first MICs, like P30A 1.0, J1A 2.2 and GTKP are very good, but starting from J68PL the quality is getting worse each season.

Did you mean the size tag mistake on j68pl with dat mysterious word "ninjawarning"? 

 

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Just now, Yan90 said:

Did you mean the size tag mistake on j68pl with dat mysterious word "ninjawarning"? 

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yeah I know this taobao fake shop, they've made J68pl, J1B, P30A and they have J79 fakes on the way so be aware ppl 

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Just now, Inkinsurgent said:

what's the story behind that?

basically a shop make fake popular acr models and use a [different name tag] to sell. 

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4 hours ago, wexler said:

MiC is an additional ~7.5% for USA

Thanks Trump

Thought I’d put this in my other post. 
 

S’what what I get for posting between orders lol. 

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