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5 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

Problem: Acronym prices are hard to justify especially with past prices and stock is too low. Buying ACR at current price points is effectively succumbing to a hype tax. 

ok. i succumb to hype tax. i don't really care bc im not buying acr thinking it's a bargain. i buy it bc i want it. the price is the price. 

buy cheaper, more "fairly priced" clothing if you're looking for products with a good price/value proportion. nobody should seek out luxury goods and then get upset that the price is higher than non-luxury items. 

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34 minutes ago, AvantSol said:

@skycrawler thoughts? Does it have any acr typical features(aux zip etc)?

No aux zips. It is certainly more Tilak than acronym, even the exterior texture of the GT fabric felt different, more rugged than the Acronym shells. But there is the same dna running through the piece in its design approach.

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If I'm not mistaken; the difference might be because they use the 'new' gore tex pro. I really like the neck and hood on this jacket. Shame on no aux zip, would have been cool to attach the 58 to it.

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21 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

3): A reputable replica manufacturer who did Stone Island Shadow Project with near retail accuracy (aka has a history with repping complex designs) claims to be able to make the J1A-GTPK at 300-500 USD. This news was enough to warrant a personal message from Errolson to the said manufacturer.

lol "reputable replica manufacturer"... oxymorn right there
also, 500USD? do you know how high that actually is? then you should be waging war on nike instead for their markup rofl dude, horse is dead, stop beating it

 

you're talking about transparency as if you're buying stocks. it's a jacket ffs

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11 minutes ago, Xu Jianfeng said:

I would never name a IP thief as "A reputable replica manufacturer".

Please, please leave us alone.

 

Again with the voldemort argument. Reputable = has a reputation for. Replica manufacturer is literally the definition of what they're doing. I have denounced, disavowed, shit on rep makers for the thieves they are for the nth time but it's never enough. There's always someone using the voldemort argument to discredit the point when in reality it does not matter whether they are thieves or not in the discussion as it relates to manufacturing. 

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Dude, maybe they don't want to scale? Maybe they prefer to sell a handful of models, float inventory, and keep it hype/aspirational? Maybe E wants to pay everyone on the small team a living EUR wage. Maybe he just wants another car.

You wanna might wanna ask those first. It feels like you're pitching for a job/attention with unsolicited advice.

Do you go to a taqueria and ask what their stock volume is like to calculate the exact profit to determine whether a reasonable possibility of both a pricing and stock inefficiency in their current line up?

You talk with so much numerical pseudo-biz fluff yet lack the perspective to understand how any of it works. It's so frustrating. 

 

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E finally sized up

Edit: I'm also curious how much that mask is going to cost

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4 hours ago, skycrawler said:

No aux zips. It is certainly more Tilak than acronym, even the exterior texture of the GT fabric felt different, more rugged than the Acronym shells. But there is the same dna running through the piece in its design approach.

How did you size compared to your normal ACR size if you have one? I just noticed that E is wearing an L but the measurements don’t seem less than a normal ACR hardshell.

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1 minute ago, RemarkableArmor said:

How did you size compared to your normal ACR size if you have one? I just noticed that E is wearing an L but the measurements don’t seem less than a normal ACR hardshell.

Looking at the measurements, the chest measurements on a large look on par with the sizing of all my other ACR shells, and I wear a L across the board for the 3 GTX shells I've owned.

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I prefer this to the J1B. Really like the hood that's reminiscent of the one on J54-LP. No frills, really clean.

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26 minutes ago, IzunaK said:

Looking at the measurements, the chest measurements on a large look on par with the sizing of all my other ACR shells, and I wear a L across the board for the 3 GTX shells I've owned.

Yeah ditto ... it doesn’t look significantly bigger on him to me to be an L based on those numbers (assuming he normally models Ms) but will see :) I went my normal ACR size. Thanks 

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acr markup checks out: retail is exactly twice a regular evolution jacket

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28 minutes ago, russo_cypriot said:

E finally sized up

Edit: I'm also curious how much that mask is going to cost

I'd be amazed if the mask is under $200. 

But yeah hood looks much nicer than the normal Evolution.

Here's a fun game for @Orientalq. With 200 pieces produced, is this a cheap acronym jacket over priced at double Tilak's normal price for the evolution?

Question for people buying one: Tilak has been making this jacket for years, so why are you getting this version?

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54 minutes ago, beepy said:

I'd be amazed if the mask is under $200. 

But yeah hood looks much nicer than the normal Evolution.

Here's a fun game for @Orientalq. With 200 pieces produced, is this a cheap acronym jacket over priced at double Tilak's normal price for the evolution?

Question for people buying one: Tilak has been making this jacket for years, so why are you getting this version?

From my perspective nothing logical ... it’s an acronym collab and I like acronym ... shameless I know :biggrin:. Growing up as a streetwear nut I was always a sucker for a good double label !

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3 hours ago, beepy said:

Here's a fun game for @Orientalq. With 200 pieces produced, is this a cheap acronym jacket over priced at double Tilak's normal price for the evolution?

I agree that this is very well priced compared to typical Acronym, but it's still way more than the normal Evolution. Imo this more proof a GTX shell can be priced lower although this is more of a Tilak jacket than an Acronym one. Missing a lot of ACR's bells and whistles so I won't be picking one up. 

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7 hours ago, WillKhitie said:

Dude, maybe they don't want to scale? Maybe they prefer to sell a handful of models, float inventory, and keep it hype/aspirational? Maybe E wants to pay everyone on the small team a living EUR wage. Maybe he just wants another car.

You wanna might wanna ask those first. It feels like you're pitching for a job/attention with unsolicited advice.

Do you go to a taqueria and ask what their stock volume is like to calculate the exact profit to determine whether a reasonable possibility of both a pricing and stock inefficiency in their current line up?

You talk with so much numerical pseudo-biz fluff yet lack the perspective to understand how any of it works. It's so frustrating. 

1) More J1A will still keep ACR in the hype realm as I addressed in the main post. It's like ACR's AF1. They can always find variations and innovations that will push the brand further rather than artificial scarcity.

2) Living EUR wage while having a factory in China where living costs are undoubtedly lower. 

3) Unsolicited? It's a fan forum. Everything is unsolicited except for advice. I'm presenting evidence based solutions because I like the brand and want it to improve. What does it have to do with whether you asked for it or not? Nobody is forcing you to read it. 

4) I'll go to the taqueria if it sells their goods at markups too high and stock too low by speaking to their staff. By running a business with inefficiencies, its squashing potential and hurting both consumers and employees.

5) Elaborate on lacking perspective. I have talked to people in the industry as well as sourced genuine customers to back my claims. I find your last paragraph disingenuous and superficially written at worst. 

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19 hours ago, eidolarr said:

Has Acronym used the PU fabric in the past? Do you have to brush it to keep the nap? Site says:

this part of the copy could just dictate the production process for the material involved rather than the care process for the fabric

 

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@Orientalq Honestly man this is tiring and despite all your “evidence” based arguments it’s not going to change the Acronym business model. The bottom line is put your money on the product if you like what you’re getting or don’t. Errolson and Michaela are not going to change their model just because you asked nicely. They’ve been fine before reps and they’ll be fine afterwards. If you have all this money saved to buy a shell but you won’t commit to ACR because it’s too expensive (but you still want it because you like it) then thats your personal predicament. No one but yourself will be able to make that decision.

You can either buy the real deal, buy a rep (like you brought up before) or just not buy anything.

This thread isn’t a customer suggestion inbox.

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On 10/29/2020 at 2:58 PM, thatslapz said:

Have HBX support look into.  This has happened to me but they always clear it from their end and I have never had to pay fees or provide additional documentation.

Thanks for that note. Their staff was helpful and one of the deliveries was processed and delivered to me this morning without any additional issue. The 2nd package is still held up with FedEx, but HBX checked in with me again and said they submitted whatever was needed for that package too, so I'd imagine that will get resolved soon.

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22 minutes ago, BRICK DOM said:

Can we all just stop engaging with him and interacting with him? I get the impression he’s a young guy and has this “woke” attitude that a lot of younger guys have (late teens, early 20s). 

The guy owns 1 acr piece that he bought second hand this year and he calls it the memecape or whatever. He clearly has no skin in this and will just keep going on ad nauseum. It’s been going on for 3 pages and i appreciate the users who just ignored him and continued discussing the usual.

1) Early 20s, don't get what you mean by woke attitude. This has literally nothing to do with woke ideology (Google the definition). Going straight for the character attacks, huh?

2) Memecape coined by Antwon and is special because it was a one off cape that steered away from traditional ACR items. 

3) I have skin in the game, own multiple Errolson pieces from ACG. I have money set away specifically for a jacket. Maybe speaking from the perspective of not being an owner clears me of J1Investment bias. 

4) Not ad nauseum if my points are sound and are tailored for responses to people.

5) Ignoring the issue isn't going to make it go away. I have yet to read anything meaningful from you, @BRICK DOM.

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Something I've been thinking about a minute now, instigated by the ingredient list of HG1-PU: I wish Acronym would mix more natural "superfabrics" in, particularly linen and merino wool.

When my Manhattan apartment refused to lower the rent in April (lol) I moved out and have been digital nomading ever since. The "function and form" nature of this genre of clothing is incredibly useful for this lifestyle, because the garments are often very light, have specific utility, are durable, etc. Dyneema bags, windstopper jackets, shakedry slickers, and so on. but I learned long ago that at the end of the day, all these tech fabrics will become awful smelly if worn repeatedly, which is what you're gonna do if you're living out of a backpack. Goretex will delaminate. Meanwhile I've been rotating the same two merino tank tops, washing like once a month (by hand, in the shower, with shampoo), for the past six months. and my rosen linen pants resist odor better and are more breathable than encapsulated nylon, which I understand to be acronym's lightest fabric. It's why I haven't bought any of the DS shirts: I'm sure they smell awful by the end of day one.

Just another dimension of utility that I wish they'd explore. I'd buy the hell out of a merino wool J77 for my journeys.

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44 minutes ago, BRICK DOM said:

This entire exchange was not refreshing or useful or interesting or whatever the hell the goal is. I’m putting him on block but i hope that all you guys who are engaging with him see that it’s totally pointless. Nothing meaningful is coming from interacting with him imo

Can u really block people? How??

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8 minutes ago, eidolarr said:

Can u really block people? How??

 Account -> ignored users -> add to ignore list

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19 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

 Account -> ignored users -> add to ignore list

Thank you for the only positive rep i will give you. 
 

I wish the evo jacket had waist packets would have clicked buy; but now just waiting for the j1b white to drop stateside and avoid paying calculated additional duties taxes due to laziness since o have the j1a2.2 +j58 combo set for most of my winter. 
~Lefty

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