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sorry to cut the conversation
does anyone have j44-sd become like this after getting washed?:sad:

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I bet you could iron it since it’s cotton. Did you hand wash it. 

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20 minutes ago, segue said:

I bet you could iron it since it’s cotton. Did you hand wash it. 

I washed to professional laundry,should have been ironed 

just curious is it because the double layer cotton?

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1 hour ago, Orientalq said:

Yes, to you there is no equivalent to Acronym. But to others, there are a LOT of people who cross shop between ACR and Outlier, enfin leve, SISP, Riot Division, and many other ACR derivatives (including replicas). It's not a zero sum game and our opinions are not mutually exclusive. I don't mind the negative reps, but it's not like I'm wildly wrong. It's probable that the people who don't have as much brand loyalty to ACR wouldn't browse this forum. I'm a design enthusiast and a customer, but maybe the prices are reason for me to reconsider the latter.

Cross-shopping the listed brands (+ including replicas, really?) does not make them equivalent, period. A self-proclaimed 'design enthusiast' should be able to understand the differences.

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2 hours ago, Willy19 said:

sorry to cut the conversation
does anyone have j44-sd become like this after getting washed?:sad:

acd9fa76-c924-4665-b871-a1baf31f9216.JPG

Mine is like that but even more extreme. It has that strange wavy pattern throughout the entire jacket. Looks terrible. I haven't had a chance to try ironing it out, because otherwise it's basically unwearably ugly.

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2 hours ago, Orientalq said:

For one, I'm not saying YOU have to stop buying Acronym. I am simply pointing out reasons why others (and believe me I am not alone here) would choose not to buy the products because of the blatant price gouging and profiteering. Yes, to you there is no equivalent to Acronym. But to others, there are a LOT of people who cross shop between ACR and Outlier, enfin leve, SISP, Riot Division, and many other ACR derivatives (including replicas).

lol, ok breh.

ACR make it's own market.. to put it plainly, E can charge whatever the fuck he wants for his clothes.  You, as the consumer, has the right to not buy his shit.  This aint n95 face masks breh.  This is not a regulated security that you buy on NYSE.    

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25 minutes ago, Flipflop214 said:

E can charge whatever the fuck he wants for his clothes

"breh", I started my charade not because i can't afford new prices (lol), but because it might hurt the brand (because i care (cared)). I was trying to look from non-hardcore user perspective, how many times i need to repeat that? I already said that "E" while "charging whatever the fuck he wants for his clothes" is not selling his clothes anymore. When hype dies, it will be way worse. ACR made it's own market, but that might be crumbling very soon.

Orientalq, stop trying. People here are like hyenas on it's own territory. They don't care what opinion you have, they live on Errolsons precum and if you have different opinion, they will attack you even if you made legit point. 

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1 hour ago, Appleseed said:

Cross-shopping the listed brands (+ including replicas, really?) does not make them equivalent, period. A self-proclaimed 'design enthusiast' should be able to understand the differences.

Where did I say they were equivalents? You're misconstruing my argument. "There is no equivalent to ACR" does not mean Errolson can raise prices arbitrarily, otherwise a J1A-GT would be $5000 by now. The reason I'm sensitive to ACR's price is that at some point the added functionality and brand value per dollar diminishes, therefore cross shopping is an option for the majority of consumers. In fact we've seen that with ACG jackets entering the GT jacket space, as it has become a household name on every "techwear" forum, which used to be a niche market for ACR. "Design enthusiast" or not, price matters too.

 

33 minutes ago, Flipflop214 said:

lol, ok breh.

ACR make it's own market.. to put it plainly, E can charge whatever the fuck he wants for his clothes.  You, as the consumer, has the right to not buy his shit.  This aint n95 face masks breh.  This is not a regulated security that you buy on NYSE.    

Which is why I didn't buy anything for 2020... and I'm on a forum complaining about it because I want to. I'm not advocating for Errolson to be audited or regulated. I sense a lot of antagonism here... why can't we just disagree.

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3 hours ago, Willy19 said:

sorry to cut the conversation
does anyone have j44-sd become like this after getting washed?:sad:

acd9fa76-c924-4665-b871-a1baf31f9216.JPG

(Back to actual acrnm convo)

I had the same thing happen after wearing it in the rain. Haven't had a chance to iron it out. Let me if you or @ogre have a chance to iron it out.

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1 hour ago, Orientalq said:

Where did I say they were equivalents? You're misconstruing my argument.

 

4 hours ago, Orientalq said:

[to you there is no equivalent to Acronym. But to others,]

...I mean, you get how the english language works right? The implication is that you and/or others believe that there is enough equivalency amongst those brands to bother cross-shopping. I give zero fucks about your personal shopping habits (or justification), and am simply pointing out the false posit.

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20 minutes ago, Appleseed said:

  

 ...I mean, you get how the english language works right? The implication is that you and/or others believe that there is enough equivalency amongst those brands to bother cross-shopping. I give zero fucks about your personal shopping habits (or justification), and am simply pointing out the false posit.

Okay. Under the assumption that the cross-shopping of two goods makes them equivalents, I'll stand by my point that at a cost-to-value basis there is a point at which the other brands are in that sense equivalent to Acronym. It seemed to me you were referring to Acronym as an equivalent-less brand based on design/functionality alone, excluding price, but if we're counting price it should be a no-brainer. Cost-to-value wise an enfin-leve DS pant exceeds that of a P10, so explain to me how Acronym has no equivalents in that regard.

 

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12 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

Okay. Under the assumption that the cross-shopping of two goods makes them equivalents, I'll stand by my point that at a cost-to-value basis there is a point at which the other brands are in that sense equivalent to Acronym. It seemed to me you were referring to Acronym as an equivalent-less brand based on design/functionality alone, excluding price, but if we're counting price it should be a no-brainer. Cost-to-value wise an enfin-leve DS pant exceeds that of a P10, so explain to me how Acronym has no equivalents in that regard.

 

Acronym has never been about cost-to-value. If you want cost-to-value, go shop at Ross

And of course enfin-leve's DS pants are going to be seen as better "cost-to-value wise" because a lot of their business is from taking Acronym designs to sell at a lower price point. Have fun with your Great Value™ Acroynm.

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21 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

 

LOL, cmon man.. You're prolle the same kind of person that would argue a replica/copy/bootleg is as good as the original 

Just for full disclosure.. you dont work for Efin Leve (oops, I misspelt it), right? lol

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1 minute ago, neromancer said:

Acronym has never been about cost-to-value. If you want cost-to-value, go shop at Ross

 And of course enfin-leve's DS pants are going to be seen as better "cost-to-value wise" because a lot of their business is from taking Acronym designs to sell at a lower price point. Have fun with your Great Value™ Acroynm.

I'm glad you agree... Guess what, a lot of people do shop at ross. And love their Great Value™ Acronym. 

Everyone has their price points. I'm pointing out that as Errolson raises prices, enfin leve's sales team get wetter in their pants.

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37 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

Okay. Under the assumption that the cross-shopping of two goods makes them equivalents, I'll stand by my point that at a cost-to-value basis there is a point at which the other brands are in that sense equivalent to Acronym. It seemed to me you were referring to Acronym as an equivalent-less brand based on design/functionality alone, excluding price, but if we're counting price it should be a no-brainer. Cost-to-value wise an enfin-leve DS pant exceeds that of a P10, so explain to me how Acronym has no equivalents in that regard.

 

Sorry, but I've stated nothing to that effect.

Cherry-picking single metrics cannot, on any-basis, be reasoning for proving / disproving equivalency. Again, as a 'design enthusiast' you should know that the sum constitutes many parts - some of which are intangible. The fact that you claim that, and are ok lumping in rip-offs and replicas in the same brand grouping is pretty astounding.

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4 minutes ago, Flipflop214 said:

LOL, cmon man.. You're prolle the same kind of person that would argue a replica/copy/bootleg is as good as the original 

Just for full disclosure.. you dont work for Efin Leve (oops, I misspelt it), right? lol

Here's the quote: "But to others, there are a LOT of people who cross shop between ACR and Outlier, enfin leve, SISP, Riot Division, and many other ACR derivatives (including replicas). "

I did NOT say that all of those brands were as good as the original. Cross-shopping does not equate to a conclusion of equality. For instance, I can cross shop a Mercedes S-Class and a Genesis G70, because I can use the extra money saved over from buying the Genesis to other avenues that are more productive for me. The same goes for ACR. People who cross shop ACR and enfin leve can save hundreds of dollars which could be used for other parts of their fit.

I don't work for enfin leve.

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3 minutes ago, Appleseed said:

Sorry, but I've stated nothing to that effect.

Cherry-picking single metrics cannot, on any-basis, be reasoning for proving / disproving equivalency. Again, as a 'design enthusiast' you should know that the sum constitutes many parts - some of which are intangible.

 

1) "Cross-shopping the listed brands (+ including replicas, really?) does not make them equivalent" -> Cross shopping =/= equivalency.

2) "The implication is that you and/or others believe that there is enough equivalency amongst those brands to bother cross-shopping." -> Cross-shopping = enough equivalency.

Please explain to me what you mean by equivalency, because in one post you're saying that cross-shopping does not equate to equivalency and in the other, you're accusing me of equating Acronym with other brands because they can be cross-shopped.

 

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10 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

I'm glad you agree... Guess what, a lot of people do shop at ross. And love their Great Value™ Acronym. 

Everyone has their price points. I'm pointing out that as Errolson raises prices, enfin leve's sales team get wetter in their pants.

I'm sure they do. But people who shop at Ross don't come onto fashion forums to bitch about clothes they can't afford (lol or maybe they do...?)

5 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

Here's the quote: "But to others, there are a LOT of people who cross shop between ACR and Outlier, enfin leve, SISP, Riot Division, and many other ACR derivatives (including replicas). "

I did NOT say that all of those brands were as good as the original. Cross-shopping does not equate to a conclusion of equality. For instance, I can cross shop a Mercedes S-Class and a Genesis G70, because I can use the extra money saved over from buying the Genesis to other avenues that are more productive for me. The same goes for ACR. People who cross shop ACR and enfin leve can save hundreds of dollars which could be used for other parts of their fit.

I don't work for enfin leve.

lol if your outfit has enfin leve in it there's no saving it

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Just now, neromancer said:

I'm sure they do. But people who shop at Ross don't come onto fashion forums to bitch about clothes they can't afford (lol or maybe they do...?)

lol if your outfit has enfin leve in it there's no saving it

People who shop at ACR bitch about clothes they can't afford when Errolson prices them out. 

If having enfin in your fit means having a respectable top and shoes then I would go enfin every day of the week and twice on sunday. Budget-shaming are we LMAO 

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20 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

 

1) "Cross-shopping the listed brands (+ including replicas, really?) does not make them equivalent" -> Cross shopping =/= equivalency.

2) "The implication is that you and/or others believe that there is enough equivalency amongst those brands to bother cross-shopping." -> Cross-shopping = enough equivalency.

Please explain to me what you mean by equivalency, because in one post you're saying that cross-shopping does not equate to equivalency and in the other, you're accusing me of equating Acronym with other brands because they can be cross-shopped.

 

You implied that ppl are cross-shopping those brands, and they are therefore equivalent. It doesn't, and they aren't. Not sure how much simpler I can make that.

You're now contradicting your earlier post (see below) and are feigning confusion. It's ok, the world will keep spinning.

28 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

Cross-shopping does not equate to a conclusion of equality.

Edited by Appleseed

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1 minute ago, Appleseed said:

You implied that ppl are cross-shopping those brands, and they are therefore equivalent. It doesn't, and they aren't. Not sure how much simpler I can make that.

I am implying that people cross-shop those brands on a cost-to-value equivalency. Not sure how much simpler how I could have made that.

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22 minutes ago, Appleseed said:

You're now contradicting your earlier post (see below) and are feigning confusion. It's ok, the world will keep spinning.

49 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

Am I? I said on a cost-to-value, didn't I? 

Cross-shopping does not equate to a conclusion of equality as in a Prius does not beat Ferrari as a better car but it does lose to it on a per-cost basis. I was addressing flipflop's insinuation that I consider enfin to be "as good" as the original, which it isn't. It's more cost-efficient, but not better. 

Am I the confused one here? We are talking about price, after all. To take price out of consideration and accuse me of equating ACR with other brands outright is disingenuous and misleading. Context, please.

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33 minutes ago, Appleseed said:

You implied that ppl are cross-shopping those brands, and they are therefore equivalent. It doesn't, and they aren't. Not sure how much simpler I can make that.

You're now contradicting your earlier post (see below) and are feigning confusion. It's ok, the world will keep spinning.

Final post on this.
1) I'm arguing that pricing matters to Acronym customers and enfin's replacement of ACR at firmament Berlin is an indication of that (the exact reasoning of which is unknown but for the sake of the argument I'm referring to their commercial success). Pricing matters: https://www.reddit.com/r/techwearclothing/search?q=enfin+leve+acronym&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=top&t=all

2) I am not implying that ACR and enfin leve (and friends) are equals. But with price considered they are equivalents on a cost-to-value basis. (This is what you have confused. They are cross shopped because they are cost-effectively equivalent, not as standalone products.) 

I don't think we necessarily disagree. 

 

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1 hour ago, Orientalq said:

I am implying that people cross-shop those brands on a cost-to-value equivalency.

But you didn't say that, and I'm not a mind-reader. Even if that's what you genuinely meant, I have a hard time believing that there's a sizable number of people cross-shopping reps (as you wrote) and the genuine article. There is literally too big of a gulf; in both actual performance and cost / value ratio, no equivalency exists.

Regardless...when discussing brand equivalency, there are far more factors to consider than just cost. You can reply ad nauseam, but it doesn't change anything.

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2 hours ago, Orientalq said:

Cost-to-value wise an enfin-leve DS pant exceeds that of a P10, so explain to me how Acronym has no equivalents in that regard.

A cheaper copy of a P10 is not a cost to value equivalent lol

you're basically justifying your cheaper purchase is as good if not better than the real thing.

To your example of the genesis, You can dress up the genesis with the money saved from not buying the merc but it's still a genesis lol (not that there's anythign wrong with that).  I bet that genesis owner is still secretly wanting that merc.

Edited by Flipflop214

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Longtime lurker but finally decided to drop $5 just to fucking laugh my fucking ass off at all you simps.

All you ACR stans.

Clowns roasting clowns, like internet clouts a thing.

You some insecure mofos. You think cuz you got cash, peeps care what y'all think?

Get dat money up!

Smooth brains, E would be proud while he's laughing his ass to the bank.

SUFU sure hits different.

Keep amusing me. Please.

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I need more neg reacts! Every neg react is another simp.

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6 hours ago, ogre said:

Mine is like that but even more extreme. It has that strange wavy pattern throughout the entire jacket. Looks terrible. I haven't had a chance to try ironing it out, because otherwise it's basically unwearably ugly.

 

5 hours ago, AvantSol said:

(Back to actual acrnm convo)

I had the same thing happen after wearing it in the rain. Haven't had a chance to iron it out. Let me if you or @ogre have a chance to iron it out.

I’m glad i’m not alone

is it because the sd material?if i remember they are double layer cotton with no glue etc

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2 hours ago, Orientalq said:

Final post on this.
1) I'm arguing that pricing matters to Acronym customers and enfin's replacement of ACR at firmament Berlin is an indication of that (the exact reasoning of which is unknown but for the sake of the argument I'm referring to their commercial success). Pricing matters: https://www.reddit.com/r/techwearclothing/search?q=enfin+leve+acronym&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=top&t=all

Using r/twc as any sort of qualifier...

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