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7 hours ago, Rough Sleeper said:

So what do you want to say? As a brand admirer I can't have opinion on the brand or Errolson and post it here? I understand that this is not the best place to have that kind of discussion because most people here are hardcore acronym fans and will buy canned tuna for 250EUR if it will have ACRONYM logo on it. But lets be real, my first acr purchase was J27GT and I paid 655 pounds, now it's 1736EUR, what changed since? Production in China costs more? It is made from next-level-nasa-approved fabric? The pattern is now 100 times more complex? Hyperinflation? Nothing changed apart Errolson's appetite and hype surrounding the brand (they even stopped producing dope seasonal videos). And to make things worse, they don't come up with anything good nowadays, take SS20 for example: J82-WS, J1L-GT J84-S, P35-DS all are laughable, nobody would eat up this shit if it wasn't Acronym. Yeah, P10-DS are amazing, but they were designed by Schneider, not Errolson. C1-AM? That shit was released 13 years ago. 

Whatever guys, I see you have more fun bragging about reviewing expensive cars, digging someones old tweets, talking about quality roast material (lmao) and downvoting me for having different opinions. Nothing to discuss here.

I was saying if you’re discussing the financial transparency of a company, it doesn’t make sense to compare a publicly traded company that publishes financials with a privately held company that does not publish financials.

To your second question, you can have whatever opinion you want. There are others here that share your views even if I do not. 

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On 4/7/2020 at 12:43 PM, NinjaGuyInToronto said:

Anyone have any experience with over-dye on the acronym x nemen shirts like the S6C?  I've tried it on two different shirts using MX cold water dye and haven't been too happy with the results.  I like how uniform they look now, but the black looks a little greenish/grey rather than a nice deep black.  I thought maybe it was the source color, but I've tried over both the olive and the grey with the same result.  I'm worried that a hot water dye will shrink the shirts.  Any advice?

If anyone's interested, I ended up grabbing a different dye to try out.  This time I used a product from my local dye shop called simply black (Link).  This one is a hot water dye, and I used my washing machine rather than the bucket method.  I did 40g of dye rather than the recommended 20g.  I messed up the machine settings and accidentally used cold water instead of hot :unsure:.  However, I'm very happy with the results, and it came out a much nicer black than when I used the cold water MX dye.  The pic below shows the newly dyed S7 as compared to my S6 with the MX.  It's a much richer shade of black than the green/gray of the S6, and it's pretty close to the shade of the DS material on my P10s.  Note that the S7 was originally gray, and the S6 olive, but they both came out the same color after the MX dye.

Overall very happy with the result, and a much bigger fan of the rich solid color from the overdye as opposed to the faded original.  Will do the S6 with the new dye next and use proper water temp to see if it produces any different results.

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1 hour ago, thatslapz said:

I was saying if you’re discussing the financial transparency of a company, it doesn’t make sense to compare a publicly traded company that publishes financials with a privately held company that does not publish financials.

To your second question, you can have whatever opinion you want. There are others here that share your views even if I do not. 

I never questioned financial transparency of a company in the first place, I simply stated that I don't like his pricing strategy and that Errolson contradicts himself with his statements regarding price increase. I don't have a degree in finance, I just wanted to speculate on the future of the brand and vent my frustration.

I just checked 13 online shops that carry ACR from acrnm to coevo and (pretty much) everyone still has all sizes of J1L-GT which is ridiculous if you think that most shops buy pretty small amount of items. It may be COVID or may be what I said in previous post, we will see in the future, but I don't think that Errolson will back out of his decision.

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stupid richtext editor

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8 hours ago, Rough Sleeper said:

. Yeah, P10-DS are amazing, but they were designed by Schneider, not Errolson. 

And you know this how? 

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54 minutes ago, drgitlin said:

And you know this how? 

I just saw her portfolio, out of ±15 items that were released that season she only posted 3 or 4, so I believe she doesn't take credit on everything she laid her hand and I asked the Man itself sometime ago, he vaguely dodged the question with "collaborative effort" bs. And it's just simply more of her style while Errolson was into different pant patterns at that time. 

Signed, a man who is following ACRONYM without posting his stupid fits on instagram.

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15 hours ago, brainerd666 said:

What a shit take lol

comparing one of the richest people(Putin would like to have a word), to a small company that makes luxury clothing for a VERY FUCKING NARROW market is complete smooth brain bullshit

LOL you missed the point of the post. I'm arguing that just because you don't work at a company doesn't mean you can't criticize its pricing practices. What does that have to do with the net worth of Errolson and Bezos? You think that because Amazon is publically traded that we know jack shit about what their corporate strategies are?

"Well guys we don't know how ACR works so let's just keep buying overpriced Jackets cuz it's cool, nothing to see here~" serves no one any good. No one is claiming to know for certain how much cash Errolson is pocketing from each jacket sold. Speculation is how you make a decision as to whether the consumer is being fleeced. Sorry we don't have parents who have bottomless wallets. 

Calm down with your character attacks. Being a pro "roaster" for "swag" points doesn't mean anything for an argument. If anything it says more about your own insecurities, "brainerd666".

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On 5/12/2020 at 12:23 PM, Rough Sleeper said:

I don't think this is fair comparison. Errolson just got greedy after seeing resale prices. Now hype is slowly dying and items are starting to sit on shelves. He can sell J1A, J36, J28, P10 forever, but people really 100% like what brand is doing now? Shit's got too lazy and too expensive at the same time. There will be always hardcore fans who will support the brand no matter what, just like with Visvim and I don't think Errolson will starve any time soon, but on the other hand it was worth it? Maybe he should've stopped at some point and put more effort into the brand instead of lying to customers about European salaries, moving production to China, new features etc? Acronym magic is gone for me, and maybe i'm not the only one:

as said previously it's unfair to look at stock given the current global situation. Fashion is hurting everywhere. That said, given how fast the J1A-GTKP sold out under the same circumstances, your point is still compelling.

Two thoughts:

  1. imho you are still underestimating the prestige factor that a previous poster mentioned. In men's fashion -- even streetwear -- legacy is incredibly important, and E has been doing high-fashion techwear for a long time now. He's a businessman and he's not stupid, i'm sure he knows he could make bank through diluting the brand with lower prices and higher supply, but that's not what its value is for him. Thanks to Acronym he's the techwear guy, look how well it's working: he's doing collabs with nike, video games, movies, traveling the world, hot cybergoth girlfriend. For this reason I doubt he's concerned overmuch with his margins, and I doubt he "got greedy". he probably just noticed shit was selling out instantly to resellers when someone tweeted him, and told them to jack up prices 30%.
  2. "lazy" i don't think works, Acronym has always been about radical experimentation alongside steady iteration. When you look back you can say "see how exciting it used to be?" but that's because you're looking at two decades of history, and you're likely only seeing the winners. In the last few years i've really liked J40L, J43A, J47TS, J46U, P30A, P23A. and he's still doing crazy shit like CP4-WS, J82, whatever that rider jacket was, etc. I don't agree at all that the core innovation DNA of the designs has deteriorated.

I agree that he should stop being so fucking disingenuous about the reasons behind the price increases -- I actually find that visvim gif really charming -- but if he wants to raise prices that's fine with me, i'd rather have shit sit in stock at a 50% markup than sell out instantly and be on grailed minutes later for a 100-200% markup. If you don't want to pay the prices i get it, and as said perhaps it's forcing people to confront the fact that their purchases can't be justified in a value-per-dollar way. (I believe needing justification at all is also quite male-fashion specific, FWIW.)

All that said, i've honestly only been following the brand since ~2013 so I'd love to hear what the longtime fans have to say.

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28 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

You think that because Amazon is publically traded that we know jack shit about what their corporate strategies are?

I'm not sure what brainerd's specific point was, but to this specifically... i mean yeah, kinda. The discussion was about how much profit they're making and how much E is walking away with that, as well as how they are doing financially. If Acronym were public, at whatever size, we would have insight into those numbers.

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46 minutes ago, eidolarr said:

I'm not sure what brainerd's specific point was, but to this specifically... i mean yeah, kinda. The discussion was about how much profit they're making and how much E is walking away with that, as well as how they are doing financially. If Acronym were public, at whatever size, we would have insight into those numbers.

Amazon does not disclose anything more than what it has to for many different reasons (a lot of which is the same for ACR). Gross, net profit, and operating expenses are not the end-all-be-all, as Amazon's accounting department don't get paid just to add numbers. That's why it's as fair to criticize Amazon as it is to Acronym. They're not exactly putting everything out there, so it's fair game.

My point being with ACR is the take-home for Errolson. For someone who is always retweeting nostalgic-communist unionist material, it's really interesting to know if Errolson is actually price gouging to spite the second hand market (which is not such a popular tactic with that crowd).

But that contradiction aside, it's just speculation. At the end of the day we choose whether or not to buy the next iteration of the same jacket with a higher price tag. Speculation just helps in making that decision. 

If it helps, ask this question: "At what price is the J1A-GT considered an overpriced good?" 

$1000? $1500? $2000? 

Don't feel bad for buying ACR. If you can afford it, good for you. It's just that for some people the money is better served elsewhere. 

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12 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

Amazon does not disclose anything more than what it has to for many different reasons (a lot of which is the same for ACR). Gross profit, net profit, operating expenses are not the end-all-be-all, as Amazon's accounting department don't get paid just to add numbers. That's why it's as fair to criticize Amazon as it is to Acronym. They're not exactly putting everything out there, so it's fair game.

good post, we are on the same page, except I think we would learn a lot more from disclosures than you do, particularly for so small a company. everything else i agree 100% though, even if he's not price gouging to maximize his personal take, the way he describes his motivations seems like a specious attempt to justify said price hikes to the crowd you described. I don't get why he can't just say, "look I care about the plight of the proletariat and seizing the means of production, BUT I'm really passionate about my super high end niche art fashion and I'm going to price it appropriately". who the fuck is out there expecting him to affect social change with techwear??

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how about a CP4 Epic Raf version or J46 edit?!

^ACR annum 2049

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^ would love to see a J46 edit.. with a quilted liner underneath that’s detachable. That’d be dopw 

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10 hours ago, fasttimes said:

Imagine still talking about ACR pricing in 2020. As a long time fan, price is irrelevant simply because there is no alternative to ACR. So many people claim there are but none offer examples. If there was a cheaper alternative everyone would buy that. Nothing that looks like this performs like this at a lower price point and that's why you're all so mad.

I don't remember that I had any regrets paying 1400EUR for reissue of J28GT while owning first iteration at the same time. It's combination of attitude, design and pricing. Imagine paying two grand to show up at your office looking like that

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Anyway we will see what the future holds, it's all just speculation, if you got the money and like the design there's literally nothing wrong with that. I just don't feel that spending 3000 on Aitor Throup jacket is somehow "not worth it", but paying two grand for J27GT reissue? Nah, you can keep that.

14 hours ago, eidolarr said:

Thanks to Acronym he's the techwear guy, look how well it's working: he's doing collabs with nike, video games, movies, traveling the world, hot cybergoth girlfriend.

Yeah, but he forgot that he also could spend some time actually designing clothing. I'm not going to start how Shadow Project fell off, it's worse than ACG now, first seasons were so good because Errolson actually cared about clothing. Nice post otherwise, cheers.

digiririn, why you gave me a downvote? My answer isn't sufficient for you? Or you feel offended by my remark because at 50 you're still posting your mad fits on instagram for those sweet internet points like kids nowadays do? #acrnm #acrhive lmao

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Lol whats his IG

Edit: fyi I genuinely wanted to check his IG for fits. Thats all 

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24 minutes ago, SuE said:

Enough with the personal attacks. Age-shaming, really? You know how old Errolson is? Gibson is an octogenarian and has more drip than y’all. Stop showing your asses. 

I have no idea how old he is, I just posted that to make fun since he seems bit too cocky here and he doesn't look 50 lmao. That #acrhive shit is lame even if you're 25. Don't be that sensitive with all this "age-shaming" thing, you probably hate fit and thin people too. Mature people are cool, as long they act that way.

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10 minutes ago, Rough Sleeper said:

I have no idea how old he is

If you’re ignorant then stop projecting

11 minutes ago, Rough Sleeper said:

you probably hate fit and thin people too

just stop

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2 hours ago, SuE said:

Gibson is an octogenarian and has more drip than y’all.

Yeah because he can afford it.. in fact most boomers and old people can. When pricing causes your brand to appeal to older people exclusively that's how you kill a brand. Asian boba-sipping silicon valley guys eat it up tho, props to them. 2k out of their kid's college fund lmao.

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1 hour ago, Orientalq said:

When pricing causes your brand to appeal to older people exclusively that's how you kill a brand.

Some of ya'll need to get smacked.

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Acronym for instagram? Nah, I wear acronym because Robin Williams.

robin-williams-best-outfits-acronym-jack

 

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9 hours ago, Rough Sleeper said:

I don't remember that I had any regrets paying 1400EUR for reissue of J28GT while owning first iteration at the same time. It's combination of attitude, design and pricing. Imagine paying two grand to show up at your office looking like that

imagine showing up at an office lol

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26 minutes ago, drgitlin said:

Acronym for instagram? Nah, I wear acronym because Robin Williams.

 

 

ID on the pants he's rocking in this pic?  Looks like epic 

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28 minutes ago, drgitlin said:

Acronym for instagram? Nah, I wear acronym because Robin Williams.

No need to explain yourself, you do, what you gonna do. Your cat tower is amazing though.

8 minutes ago, hooper said:

imagine showing up at an office lol

Bruh my father is foxconn executive, why tf I should care?

Anyway, i'm gonna leave for now, have fun

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2 hours ago, Orientalq said:

 

 

42 minutes ago, Rough Sleeper said:

 

now I'm just speculating..

you two were huge fans of the label until the prices went up and couldn't or "didn't want" to afford the jawnz anymore.  You feel the need to express your hatred of the brand that left you hanging in a forum full of "die hards".  Fuck outta here with that lame shit lol. quit crying and get your paper up.  let go of that hate brehs, trust me.. you'll be happier.

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3 hours ago, drgitlin said:

Acronym for instagram? Nah, I wear acronym because Robin Williams.

robin-williams-best-outfits-acronym-jack

 

Far ahead of times with his Salomon shoes. The pants should be P5 if these are acronym 

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