SNg 213,028 Posted February 19 (edited) Been waiting a while and I was finally able to get some time to do this. It's cool seeing the differences between generations of these models and how they've improved (and sometimes even areas where they don't). But basically it's just plain fun to nerd out. Differences in the in the sleeve patterns. The e-J1a is a size L and the J1ts-s is an XL for reference. You'll notice how the e-j1a actually has a baggier sleeve despite being a smaller size. They have a really similar shape which is a nice carry over from one iteration to the next. Of course, the pocket addition is definitely one of the more noticeable changes. I really like seeing the differences between how the underarm was patterned. It's a little hard to see but the e-j1a was a lot simpler than the j1ts-s. This is one of my favorite parts of the jacket because it's so functional. It's a noticeable different when you're wearing the jacket and you can see how the jacket is pulling as you move your arms around. The short sleeve is also constructed differently - the e-j1a is literally a short sleeve wrapped around the longer sleeve while the j1ts-s is patterned and sewn into the longer sleeve. Here's a shot of the gravity pockets of the j1ts-s and the e-j1a. It's kind of hard to see but the e-j1a is completely hidden and you can only access it from the cuff. The j1ts-s' pocket placement is a little weird imo because when your arms are at your side they warp the fabric a little around the forearm (because of the stiffness of the zipper) and it ends up looking a little weird. I was waiting for the laundry machine to rinse out any leftover detergent and I realized that I could throw in the j47a-gt for a comparison as well. Sorry for the dark images! Here are some shots of the underarm and of the shoulder. The e-j1a and j1ts-s have really simple shoulder lines but the j47a does something it a little differently. I think of the zippered versions of the gravity pockets I prefer the placement of the j47a the most - it's closer to the back of the forearm so it doesn't mess with the shape of the sleeve too much. But sometimes when I'm walking the zipper tab flips up and down as it catches the side seam of the jacket. So functionally, I think I prefer the hidden gravity pockets of the e-j1a because it's the least obtrusive. These are just some shots of some fun details that I really like on the e-j1a. The flak pocket is so over the top and definitely makes it the most used pocket on the entire jacket. I think there are technically four pockets in that area - main flak pocket, phone pocket, open side entry pocket (don't know how else to describe this one), and another side entry pocket with a zipper. Also the webbing with slits cut into it for your headphones (which I never use because it's such a hassle to thread them through). Edited February 19 by SNg 40 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WiseFool 58 Posted February 19 RAF-Stotz highlights the architecture of the pieces soooo well. Its incredible. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albm 88 Posted February 19 Good stuff man, love seeing the details in different iterations 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArmandGLA 10 Posted February 19 Hey guys, im new here, Wanted to know if this was legit? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RemarkableArmor 483 Posted February 19 Surely no-one is faking P24s??! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArmandGLA 10 Posted February 19 I can provide 3 links from Asian manufactures that are faking these along with other jackets, its really pissing me off. 22 minutes ago, RemarkableArmor said: Surely no-one is faking P24s??! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopiteaux 219 Posted February 19 J1A fakes seems to drip onto eBay once a week... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mens-Acronym-J1A-GT-Gore-tex-Hooded-Olive-Waterproof-Jacket-ACG/233135683921?hash=item3647f83951:m:mDv8XH4NpT6sLW1rjrgWQtA:rk:1:pf:0 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArmandGLA 10 Posted February 19 (edited) 5 minutes ago, lopiteaux said: J1A fakes seems to drip onto eBay once a week... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mens-Acronym-J1A-GT-Gore-tex-Hooded-Olive-Waterproof-Jacket-ACG/233135683921?hash=item3647f83951:m:mDv8XH4NpT6sLW1rjrgWQtA:rk:1:pf:0 That seller has negative feedback for selling fakes if you click on his profile Edited February 19 by ArmandGLA 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moneytalks 595 Posted February 20 (edited) there are really really good fake P24A-DS in the market. the only way you can tell visually is when they're rolled up, the fakes are fuzzy inside unlike the authentic ones. the cut and hardware, however, is a 100% match Edited February 20 by moneytalks 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inkinsurgent 4,076 Posted February 20 i've reported both the fake j1a seller and the fake s21-ds seller about a dozen times now but ebay gives zero fucks. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamikaze 3,652 Posted February 20 (edited) 21 minutes ago, moneytalks said: there are really really good fake P24A-DS in the market. the only way you can tell visually is when they're rolled up, the fakes are fuzzy inside unlike the authentic ones. the cut and hardware, however, is a 100% match Fuzzy how? I just remembered now that when I rolled up my p24a it was a bit fuzzy but I thought it might’ve been from wear. And are these fakes recent? I got mines about a year ago Edited February 20 by Kamikaze 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yan90 74 Posted February 20 (edited) Are you serious about real good fake? Its a huge difference between fake and og -DS (outer pattern, softness, inside fuzzy texture, ribbon material, extremely crooked stitching etc.) I have never seen a fake 24a-ds btw. Maybe you mean fake 23a-ds?... Edited February 20 by Yan90 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopiteaux 219 Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Inkinsurgent said: i've reported both the fake j1a seller and the fake s21-ds seller about a dozen times now but ebay gives zero fucks. Same here :/ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArmandGLA 10 Posted February 20 So quick question, their are some pretty faded acronym pants, and I wanted to re dye them to look some what original. is their a company or link to this discussion? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yardsale 790,036 Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, ArmandGLA said: So quick question, their are some pretty faded acronym pants, and I wanted to re dye them to look some what original. is their a company or link to this discussion? I was wondering the same thing on these old veilance pants I have. Most people would suggest rit dye but is there something more advanced? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArmandGLA 10 Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Yardsale said: I was wondering the same thing on these old veilance pants I have. Most people would suggest rit dye but is there something more advanced? I was thinking perhaps sending it to an established company to have them done correctly. Problem is, if you dye pants to get the fade away, will it match a acronym jacket color for example. I hate have different tones of black on me. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CARLOOA 1,606 Posted February 20 7 minutes ago, ArmandGLA said: I was thinking perhaps sending it to an established company to have them done correctly. Problem is, if you dye pants to get the fade away, will it match a acronym jacket color for example. I hate have different tones of black on me. 10 minutes ago, Yardsale said: I was wondering the same thing on these old veilance pants I have. Most people would suggest rit dye but is there something more advanced? Wabi-sabi my friends. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArmandGLA 10 Posted February 20 13 minutes ago, CARLOOA said: Wabi-sabi my friends. Lol, if they weren't this pricy, I would agree! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
agentbuca 123 Posted February 20 New ACR j-65 on oki-ni before mothersite or are they just inside out? https://oki-ni.com/69acrm2720blk-acronym-j65 https://oki-ni.com/69acrm2721wht-acronym-j65 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike.kanashi 2 Posted February 20 On 2/19/2019 at 6:04 PM, SNg said: Great write-up. Question though, how are you finding epic cotton in terms of weather resistance, color-fastness and overall durability? I've heard that it fades stupid quick and that it's subject to fraying/holes. Asking as I'm somewhat hunting a J1A-S, J1A-E or J28-E, so it would be extremely useful and appreciated to hear more user thoughts about epic. Thanks in advance. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yardsale 790,036 Posted February 20 1 hour ago, agentbuca said: New ACR j-65 on oki-ni before mothersite or are they just inside out? https://oki-ni.com/69acrm2720blk-acronym-j65 https://oki-ni.com/69acrm2721wht-acronym-j65 damn they look better inside out lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopiteaux 219 Posted February 20 (edited) They also have the pricing the wrong way around... Strange, as I half remember that they previously had a different model wearing them correctly. Edited February 20 by lopiteaux 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeddyhsu 140 Posted February 20 Following in the footsteps of Nike... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SNg 213,028 Posted February 21 2 hours ago, mike.kanashi said: Great write-up. Question though, how are you finding epic cotton in terms of weather resistance, color-fastness and overall durability? I've heard that it fades stupid quick and that it's subject to fraying/holes. Asking as I'm somewhat hunting a J1A-S, J1A-E or J28-E, so it would be extremely useful and appreciated to hear more user thoughts about epic. Thanks in advance. For a roughly 13 year old jacket, the epic jacket is only epic in name at this point when it comes to weather resistance. I wouldn't go out into anything more than a light shower. In its defense, I haven't gotten around to cleaning it properly but as it stands, it's about as waterproof as a lightweight cotton jacket. I think that's one reason why it's been able to stay dark. It's only started to fray at the cuffs and it's dark-medium grey around high wear areas like the underside of the button snap for the gravity pockets. There are some small holes here and there but it's mostly been localized to around the cuffs. It blocks wind fairly well but in colder weather I would definitely wear a fleece or some sort of insulator underneath. I think back in the day the "ergonomic" design was mostly just a more generous cut with some cool pattern shapes so you can layer a lot under the e-j1a. That being said, it's a great jacket to wear pretty much any time when it isn't raining heavily. The softness of the epic cotton is nice and it dries fairly quickly in my experience. It actually drapes a little differently because of how soft the fabric is. My main design gripe with the e-j1a is the velcro along the front. It catches on the webbing on the 3a-1 strap and pretty much anything else. Even the webbing that you thread your earphone cables through - it's fuzzy because of the velcro. I think it was a great move on their part to move towards the snaps (which started in 08 for the j1a models I think). I would say that I'm partial to stotz because I like the texture a little more and I actually prefer the stiffness of it (even though I do like the softness of epic). Just a personal thing. I would really love to see a j1a-s update with the newer cut and a decked out flak pocket like it is on the older j1a iterations. But I don't think they would because that inner zip is now an opening for your insulator's chest pocket. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike.kanashi 2 Posted February 21 Thanks so much for the thorough response. And I also am hopeful for an updated J1A-S, the stotz and wider cut compared to GT are a very alluring combo. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X.bee 327 Posted February 21 5 hours ago, ArmandGLA said: I was thinking perhaps sending it to an established company to have them done correctly. Problem is, if you dye pants to get the fade away, will it match a acronym jacket color for example. I hate have different tones of black on me. Do you want it match a black Stotz jacket or GT shell? Cause they're different shades of black. My black Stotz & DS pants are darker than my black shells. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g.m 23 Posted February 21 Hi guys, I am looking for a price check or an interest check on my S-J14. It's from SS10 and a size large, unfortunately I do not have the bag or specsheet, and the jacket originally came with a 3A-SR1, which I do not have either. Good condition overall, with a very small hole in one sleeve and a partially cut pull tab on one side. Probably a 7.5/10 considering age. How much do you guys think I should put this up for on the sales thread? Thanks in advance. Also I'm posting it here because it's quite an old item and not much info is available online. Pictures here -> https://imgur.com/a/o6rFizh 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooper 1,483 Posted February 21 (edited) @g.m start high and bring it down if it doesn't sell. older, worn, and less in-demand items like yours can still fetch at least $500 USD. 650 sounds like a good starting point. edit: also, please post in the "community sales thread" Edited February 21 by hooper 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homi29 538,452 Posted February 21 Anyone have experience repairing stotz? My P20s tore by the front pocket and the fabric is really frayed at the seams. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moneytalks 595 Posted February 21 (edited) On 2/20/2019 at 3:47 PM, Kamikaze said: Fuzzy how? I just remembered now that when I rolled up my p24a it was a bit fuzzy but I thought it might’ve been from wear. And are these fakes recent? I got mines about a year ago much obviously fuzzier than real DS **edit** and yes i mean P24A-DS when you turn up the hem it resembles fleece (but a VERY mild version is that makes sense) stitching etc is actually DECENT, also no one will pay that close attention, i'd kick you in the eye if you came that close to my pants lol pockets on the inside have a much brighter sheen than real ACR, and the size tag comes off the pockets after a few washes how do i know all this? i bought a pair to bash around in on trips where i don't want to worry about my thousand dollar pants getting ruined, but still look steezy having both the real ones and the taobao ones i would say: 1. water resistance is similar 2. taobao "DS" is actually slightly more windproof 3. taobao "DS" is warmer (i personally prefer the real thing because i live in the tropics) 4. taobao "DS" is stretchier and a little more durable 5. the ammo pockets with the pop buttons are super high quality construction on the authentic pair, the fake ones feel like they may fall off after a few uses that said, a very decent pair of pants for 80 bucks is it worth spending about 80 bucks on a pair just to see the style? YMMV i suppose nothing beats wearing a real ACR Edited February 21 by moneytalks 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
