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28 minutes ago, rogerhuangxj said:

Love the all the pics and reviews, would like to know the possibility to wear J73 as a liner.

Since it has no insulation I doubt I can survive the winter wearing J73 under shell.

It's incredibly thin, so won't really add much in terms of warmth.

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1 hour ago, CARLOOA said:

J73 is a shell since it lacks insulation. You've answered your own question.

Give him a break bro. This brand ain't exactly known to attract college graduates.

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15 minutes ago, chunglove said:

Give him a break bro. This brand ain't exactly known to attract college graduates.

How’s that shitcoin startup coming along there cookiepuss?

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5 hours ago, junkie_dolphin said:

Question about some of Acronym’s more “open” pockets:

Both the J28 and the J56 have these ziperless pockets on the chest, positioned behind zippered or flapped pockets (in the case of the J28 these are like the 3a-1’s mezzanine pockets, I’m assuming). Do these pockets are fill with water in rain? Are there drain holes like with the 3a-1?

the small top mezzanine pocket on the j28 have no drain holes so technically it can build up water if you stand out in the rain for a long period of time. As for the larger pocket underneath, I usually put my phone in the mz pocket for easier access but in the rain i will stuff it inside the flap pockets. Can't confirm right now if the larger mz pocket has a drain hole or not.

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Has anyone noticed the pants have different sizing from earlier seasons e.g. pre-2016?

I own an older P17-S and it is a sz L.  In the waist measurement, it is actually the same as a 2018 P23A-DS sz M.  I do not think the difference is because of the materials... 

For the P17/P23 styles (extreme large waist), I suppose it wouldn't matter much, but I believe the same "difference" exist in other pants like P10/P24.  

Can Anyone verify?  It is especially useful to know when we order "over internet" as sometimes we just order by the same size of an older item, thinking it would fit the same...

(Non-ACR references: Nike ACG line in recent years, the pants have gone a size larger than before.  Similarly Supreme gears)

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11 minutes ago, deathrazr said:

the small top mezzanine pocket on the j28 have no drain holes so technically it can build up water if you stand out in the rain for a long period of time. As for the larger pocket underneath, I usually put my phone in the mz pocket for easier access but in the rain i will stuff it inside the flap pockets. Can't confirm right now if the larger mz pocket has a drain hole or not.

 

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Delamintaion Update

Nothing back from ACR proper. The boss tweeted back and said the fix would be a tedious job of cutting out the delamination and applying seem tape. I'm thinking about grabbing some Gear Aid Gore-tex patches, cutting out the delamination and applying them to the inside of the jacket, and then seam taping off the edges of the patches. I know these patches are meant to go on the outside of a shell, but it seems easier to apply 4x6" patches instead of small strips of seem tape.

Thoughts?

 

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24 minutes ago, monkeyboy said:

Has anyone noticed the pants have different sizing from earlier seasons e.g. pre-2016?

I own an older P17-S and it is a sz L.  In the waist measurement, it is actually the same as a 2018 P23A-DS sz M.  I do not think the difference is because of the materials... 

For the P17/P23 styles (extreme large waist), I suppose it wouldn't matter much, but I believe the same "difference" exist in other pants like P10/P24.  

Can Anyone verify?  It is especially useful to know when we order "over internet" as sometimes we just order by the same size of an older item, thinking it would fit the same...

(Non-ACR references: Nike ACG line in recent years, the pants have gone a size larger than before.  Similarly Supreme gears)

Well, they're different pants so I'm not surprised they are different measurements.  There may be slight differences in the same model year over year, but something as significant as a change in the sizing should mean a different Generation tag (i.e 1 vs 1.1 etc).  

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P10 top block was definitely tightened up between earlier and later versions. This has been discussed (not sure if it resulted in a Gen. iteration on the official ACR product listing - and you'd probably have to dig to find original measurement listings), but IMO wasn't significant enough to 'size-up'. Eliminated the baggy seat, etc.

Haven't heard of sim. modification to the P24...but no other pant has been issued as many times as the P10, so-

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7 hours ago, junkie_dolphin said:

Question about some of Acronym’s more “open” pockets:

Both the J28 and the J56 have these ziperless pockets on the chest, positioned behind zippered or flapped pockets (in the case of the J28 these are like the 3a-1’s mezzanine pockets, I’m assuming). Do these pockets are fill with water in rain? Are there drain holes like with the 3a-1?

hardly use these pockets in raining days tho, but the J28 does have two drain holes. 

btw, how to create hidden photo contents?

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21 hours ago, Bigyen said:

Delamintaion Update

Nothing back from ACR proper. The boss tweeted back and said the fix would be a tedious job of cutting out the delamination and applying seem tape. I'm thinking about grabbing some Gear Aid Gore-tex patches, cutting out the delamination and applying them to the inside of the jacket, and then seam taping off the edges of the patches. I know these patches are meant to go on the outside of a shell, but it seems easier to apply 4x6" patches instead of small strips of seem tape.

Thoughts?

 

Alternatively, you can also send it to http://rainypass.com/repair-services/ for repairs. Though it'll probably be more noticeable than patching the interior with a patch since it seems like they might cut out the affected area.

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21 hours ago, Bigyen said:

Delamintaion Update

Nothing back from ACR proper. The boss tweeted back and said the fix would be a tedious job of cutting out the delamination and applying seem tape. I'm thinking about grabbing some Gear Aid Gore-tex patches, cutting out the delamination and applying them to the inside of the jacket, and then seam taping off the edges of the patches. I know these patches are meant to go on the outside of a shell, but it seems easier to apply 4x6" patches instead of small strips of seem tape.

Thoughts?

 

Personally, unless you are extremely confident in your DIY abilities, I would keep trying the Acronym for a repair or go through an authorized repairer as mentioned.  These will be the most expensive and take the longest, but it will probably be worth the extra effort at the end of the day.  

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22 hours ago, Bigyen said:

Delamintaion Update

Nothing back from ACR proper. The boss tweeted back and said the fix would be a tedious job of cutting out the delamination and applying seem tape. I'm thinking about grabbing some Gear Aid Gore-tex patches, cutting out the delamination and applying them to the inside of the jacket, and then seam taping off the edges of the patches. I know these patches are meant to go on the outside of a shell, but it seems easier to apply 4x6" patches instead of small strips of seem tape.

Thoughts?

 

The issue is oil contamination... I'd ensure that as much of that is removed from the jacket as possible before anything. Next is to determine if the delam is only on the inside of the jacket or if the oil has helped breakdown the laminate between the face and the membrane. Gently pinch the face fabric on the opposite side. If it's only on the inside it is possible to use a spray on adhesive or other glues to get the backer to stick to the membrane again. The adhesives will need to be able to flow through the backing fabric so it will stick. Gear-aid is a pressure sensitive and would likely only stick to the backer that's already pulled away. If the face is leaking you'd get a little wet pocket that could help delam the spot more as it may not dry well.

Pulling the back panel out and rebuilding the jacket would be the best, but check the other areas of sweat and oil buildup ie: underarms to see if that might be an issue as well. Not sure who would take on the job of a rebuild other than rainy pass and the factory who built the piece in the first place not going to be many options. 

 

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On 11/6/2018 at 10:21 AM, piece keeper said:

What this accomplishes is that when you do put something in the pockets it weighs the pocket down independently from the jacket.  Now that doesn't mean it's weightless and unnoticeable--it's still WS so any weight you add to it will be felt--but it significantly reduces the sag on the garment itself compared to if the pockets were "normal" pockets that are directly sewn onto the garment.

Thanks for the pics & detailed info. Now that I think about it, the only other WS I owned was the J61 & never used the pockets because the weight of items would pull down around the shoulders & chest. I'm going to try sizing up on this & hope I am able to fit atleast a thin hoodie underneath.

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Thank you guys for your responses.

It's pretty bad: along the whole length of the shoulders, at both arm creases and both wrists.

Rainy pass flat out said no. I'll keep trying ACR.

In doing research on this I found another forum with a guy who said he spoke to someone who worked for Gore-tex. The guy said he would deny it if ever confronted, but says there are certain people who's oils and sweat just don't mix well with Gore-Tex, and pieces are much quicker to delam. Thinking back, I've had Gore-Tex jackets for the past 20+ years and they all delam. Guessing it's time to move onto a new fabric.

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Someone on here was asking about the differences in foil between generations of the x-pac 3As. Not sure if this is applicable to all, but in 2016 the black foil was referred to as "FOIL F2 BLACK" and was listed as "87% PA, 13% PES." By contrast, in 2017 it's simply "FOIL BLACK" and "70% PA, 30% PES."

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22 hours ago, pso said:

want to see the image review of 3A-13TS

Please never hurts 

Edit: nm just lookin for 1:1 gtfo

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On 2018-11-08 at 12:42 PM, Bigyen said:

In doing research on this I found another forum with a guy who said he spoke to someone who worked for Gore-tex. The guy said he would deny it if ever confronted, but says there are certain people who's oils and sweat just don't mix well with Gore-Tex, and pieces are much quicker to delam. Thinking back, I've had Gore-Tex jackets for the past 20+ years and they all delam. Guessing it's time to move onto a new fabric.

If your body chemistry is tough on the polymers that are used to laminate the layers in Gore's fabric it's likely going to be a challenge to other laminated fabrics technologies as well. ETA proof or Ventile isn't laminated. Might be a good option. A fabric based on a monolithic membrane might function longer for you as body oils shouldn't be able to get through the membrane. That's just theoretical though. Sweat still could get into the backing fabric and might pull away. Regardless of the type of fabric of the shell, knowing you've not had good luck in the past, you'll want to ensure that you increase your cadence of washing and rinsing of your shells. I don't think anyone washes their technical shells nearly as often as what might be necessary to get body oils out. 

My view is that clothes are consumables. Care can help extend the life of a garment but won't preserve them forever. It sucks when it's an interesting piece starts to go, but better to have loved a piece to death than leave it stuck on a rack as a museum piece. It just kind of sucks that if a shell gains appreciable character overtime the performance declines as well. Boro style and a wabi sabi view seem to be a bit hard with synthetics and techwear. Might just be an attitude. Be interesting to see the newer ACR pieces with raw edges develop over time. Anyone have any interesting wear develop on those yet?

 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, CB200 said:

My view is that clothes are consumables. Care can help extend the life of a garment but won't preserve them forever. It sucks when it's an interesting piece starts to go, but better to have loved a piece to death than leave it stuck on a rack as a museum piece. It just kind of sucks that if a shell gains appreciable character overtime the performance declines as well. Boro style and a wabi sabi view seem to be a bit hard with synthetics and techwear. Might just be an attitude. Be interesting to see the newer ACR pieces with raw edges develop over time. Anyone have any interesting wear develop on those yet?

Yeah, my take is that even though Gore-Tex might have better up-front abrasion resistance relative to Stotz, there are just fewer things that can go wrong with Stotz—plus, it's much easier to patch, and it fades much more gracefully than laminates. After a while Gore will also develop a bit of a stink that's hard to get out, which I've found is less the case with cotton.

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3 hours ago, CB200 said:

If your body chemistry is tough on the polymers that are used to laminate the layers in Gore's fabric it's likely going to be a challenge to other laminated fabrics technologies as well. ETA proof or Ventile isn't laminated. Might be a good option. A fabric based on a monolithic membrane might function longer for you as body oils shouldn't be able to get through the membrane. That's just theoretical though. Sweat still could get into the backing fabric and might pull away. Regardless of the type of fabric of the shell, knowing you've not had good luck in the past, you'll want to ensure that you increase your cadence of washing and rinsing of your shells. I don't think anyone washes their technical shells nearly as often as what might be necessary to get body oils out. 

My view is that clothes are consumables. Care can help extend the life of a garment but won't preserve them forever. It sucks when it's an interesting piece starts to go, but better to have loved a piece to death than leave it stuck on a rack as a museum piece. It just kind of sucks that if a shell gains appreciable character overtime the performance declines as well. Boro style and a wabi sabi view seem to be a bit hard with synthetics and techwear. Might just be an attitude. Be interesting to see the newer ACR pieces with raw edges develop over time. Anyone have any interesting wear develop on those yet?

 

 

 

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On 11/5/2018 at 11:01 PM, X.bee said:

If you're talking about the olive 3A-1, it's exactly the same. I believe someone here said it's just a different product shot (color treatment/photo editing).

Thanks for the help!

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Did anyone buy 18aw Acronym in commissarystores? It's been 12 days and they haven't delivered the goods to me yet.

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2 hours ago, nathan wu said:

Did anyone buy 18aw Acronym in commissarystores? It's been 12 days and they haven't delivered the goods to me yet.

i did.... i got j47ts-gt from them... but hey take forever to get orders out 

even after  they told me " your order has been shipped" 

you need to send e-mail/ message via thier website

took 5 days for just ship it  and 3 days for delivered (CA to TN via USPS) to me

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16 minutes ago, paper2k1 said:

i did.... i got j47ts-gt from them... but hey take forever to get orders out 

even after  they told me " your order has been shipped" 

you need to send e-mail/ message via thier website

took 5 days for just ship it  and 3 days for delivered (CA to TN via USPS) to me

I also bought a j47ts-gt. I have sent several emails to them, but I have not received any reply yet. Anyway, thanks bro (hopefully they won't cancel my order like Acr website)

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Aahhh, the joys of perusing ACRNM.com without having a heart attack...

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3 hours ago, lopiteaux said:

Aahhh, the joys of perusing ACRNM.com without having a heart attack...

lol second that

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