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having trouble digging through the sufu archives figuring out how size Eternal 811...

If I want a fit similar to TCB 50s (true straight) how should I size for Eternal 811? Debating between 28 and 29.

I wear 28 in TCB for a perfect fit. My Resolute 710 are size 29 and too snug in the waist and thighs. My FC 1101 size 28 are too loose in the waist (I measured 30) but the thighs are fine. Thanks

All these FC1101 comments are making me sad..! I want to break them in so bad but I tend to wear them the least since the top block stretches out and gets really saggy. But while I'm here I might as well chime in with TCB 50s. Best fit, love the texture.

Those bush pants are insane...!

Puerh is my go to when I'm out of coffee. Too bad its even worse for the teeth! 

I've never researched LVC (with a buyer's mindset) but it sounds like its now or never for a pair with Cone denim. What's a fair price (for White Oak Cone)? It sounds like a lot of LVC advertises Cone denim but it isn't White Oak.

I sized up one and they're perfect for a slim fit. If I could do it again I would size up two for a more authentic straight fit.

But full disclosure I have big thighs

I've worn my FC 1101 only a small handful of times and one of the arcs has a thread dangerously close to breaking haha. These are definitely the softest jeans I've ever owned. They're practically sweatpants. The sizing can be tricky... I went TTS (since these run large and I have thunder-thighs) but these stretch enough that I get saggy butt syndrome. They fit perfectly after a wash though. Hopefully they shrink up over time-- I think I had saggy butt in my TCB 50s but after a couple washes they're golden.

They come with the tab sewn into the waistband. You'll have to remove it and sew it on yourself

Here's an update after 3 maybe 4 washes. The lighting is really off but I tried to get it so the color of the jeans is most accurate. Wish I had a little more to show in terms of contrast but I am (eventually) going for an ultra washed out vintage look. 

I went TTS on my size 28 103. The waist (with effort) has stretched to 29 inches but the narrow hips/small top block make wearing them uncomfortable to the point I rarely put them on. I have a narrow waist relative to my hips and thighs so if you're anything like me I'd wholeheartedly recommend sizing up. 

Those gleems look really cool... never heard of them before. Couldn't find much about it here on sufu. I wonder if anyone has some faded pairs? 

On 9/8/2017 at 1:17 AM, Iron Horse said:

Yongkang Park has a partially defaced statue of Chiang Kai Shek, former military junta leader of Taiwan.

What Taiwan is, legally, is kind of a complicated issue. This is kind of long but here goes: Taiwan's original inhabitants were Polynesians, usually referred to as aboriginal these days. About 400 years ago, people migrated from China, especially nearby Fujian province, mostly fishermen and tea farmers, but did not colonize the entire island because of its rough terrain and pushback from native people. The Spanish, Dutch, British, and Japanese all tried to colonize Taiwan in the next few centuries but mostly failed for the same reasons. During this time, China's ruling dynasties didn't really care much about Taiwan and considered it mostly a wild and untameable place with few natural resources, though they did extract some tribute. 

At the end of the first Sino-Japanese War in 1895, Japan stipulated to the Qing Dynasty that it wanted Taiwan as part of the Treaty of Shimonoseki, which from all accounts didn't bother the Qing very much. Japan was trying to become an imperial power at the time in the mold of Europe's imperial nations and saw great value in Taiwan. It would serve as a stopping point between the Japanese mainland and its prospective territories in Southeast Asia; raw materials would be taken from SEA, through Taiwan, and then on to Japan proper. Taiwan was also a source of timber, including the Camphor tree, which is used to make camphor, or menthol ointment. What's more, Taiwan was to serve as Japan's model colony, unlike Korea. The local people were treated well, so long as they didn't rebel, and Japan introduced railroads, standardized education, Taiwan's first universities, irrigation, running water, and much more. Of course, in turn the local people were educated in Japanese. This lasted until 1945, when Japan lost in WWII, and as part of its surrender it had to hand Taiwan over to the US; at the same time, in China, the Chinese government which succeeded the Qing Dynasty, the Republic of China (ROC), led by Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek, was in a civil war with Mao Zedong's communist People's Liberation Army. The communists won, establishing the current People's Republic of China (PRC) and the ROC government fled in exile to Taiwan. While Chiang's reps had accepted Japan's surrender on behalf of the Allied Powers, the US never officially handed over Taiwan to the ROC, so one could make the case that legally it's still a US protectorate. At any rate, the ROC (or Kuomintang) became Taiwan's government starting in 1949 as a military junta and treated its stay as temporary with the intention of one day taking back China, though that was really a pipe dream. It was a one-party dictatorship, though better than the communist one back in China, and democracy and other parties were not introduced until 1996. The current Chinese government maintains that Taiwan belongs to it, though the PRC never had control of Taiwan at any point, making it a dubious claim, so for all intents and purposes Taiwan is a de facto independent nation with its own government, flag, passport, currency, immigration laws, etc.

 

Awesome pics, Iron Horse! More importantly, I wanted to give props for the background you gave concerning Taiwan. Being Taiwanese and growing up in the States where few are familiar with cross-strait relations it can be discouraging to hear things like "Taiwan is a part of China since their ancestors are Chinese" or "Taiwan is the democratic China" (equating Taiwan with the ROC) or "Why not let Taiwan be a SAR like Hong Kong", etc. Not because those persons aren't entitled to their opinions, but  discouraging because those persons probably got their opinions (and often misinformation) from some random reddit comment and now they are that much more closed-minded about the issue.

Any clear, reliable background like yours (even on a forum for denim enthusiasts!) is a step towards raising awareness regarding Taiwanese political/cultural identity and I send you good vibes.

18 hours ago, 501XX4EVER said:

I love your "Levi's-ation" of the Arcs. I managed to secure a NWT pair of Raw 0105 on ebay last night for a decent price, so I might just do the same to them before I soak them. They will be my first pair of Full Count's and it will be interesting to see if they are as good as everyone says and how the compare to Warehouse retro cuts, as they are my favorite Japanese brand.

Thanks! I've been on vacation so I'm excited to begin fading these guys. Warehouse definitely at the top of the list for next brand to try. Just waiting on a good listing to show up on yahoo...

Really informative! Thanks for the answer

Touched down in Seattle today. Got on my tcb 50s 

Can anyone tell me the differences between all these stitches? They are all "chainstitches" but look different (and it may just be me, but I think they produce different roping effects as well).

This one is done by Blue Owl using a Union 43200G. I love the look and the roping looks really nice in real life but I can't get over the width of the hem. According to Jay, .5 inch (with the stitch itself at 3/8 inch) is the tightest their union specials can handle.

Meanwhile, here is the chainstitch done by Railcar (also on a Union Special though their site doesn't seem to make mention of the kind). The picture may be too dim but the stitch is much tighter and is raised higher off the surface of the denim. In real life it almost looks like the kind of weave you would find on a rope. The picture doesn't quite capture what I'm trying to describe, see the comparison pic further down. An older pair I have that was also hemmed by Railcar never seemed to exhibit nice wavy, even roping. On the bright side their machines can hem to 3/8 of an inch.

Here is the factory hem on a pair of Fullcount jeans. This kind of stitch is the most 'flat' looking of them all and seems to produce the best roping among my pairs. Denimio hems also look like this. This is my favorite of the ones I've displayed-- I like the flatness, the roping effect is strong, and the hem width is 3/8 of an inch. Unfortunately, it seems this option isn't attainable in the US since blue owl's hem is .5 inch and Railcar's is that thin 'rope-braided' looking stitch. Maybe someone can share their experience with a denim service based in the US.

Here is thin and high Railcar stitch next to the fat and flat Fullcount stitch


Here is the blue owl side by side with Railcar. Note the difference in hem width.



Sorry for the bad quality pics. Any thoughts?

5 hours ago, avonalliv8 said:

Got tapped on the shoulder while wearing 1108s in line at a Home Depot in Bay Area...

Lady: What jeans are those? Those aren't Levi's, right?

Me: No, no they aren't. 

Lady: I didn't think so. I work at Levi's and those violate the copyright we have.

Me: Really? Cool!

End scene.

What, you mean you didn't strip off your jeans and present them to her while apologizing profusely??

Speaking of, how does one make the arcs on a pair of fullcounts last longer? I think I've seen more pics of them falling apart than I have of them intact. I have a pair of 1101 flying across the sea to me right now. 

My girlfriend fits them nicely but she won't wear them... 

Stopped wearing these 103s bc the crotch got so tight but I put em on to take the dog out. 

Thinking about picking up a pair of 1001hxx, the Warehouse x Hinoya collab. Does anyone think the 1001 run small? This guy weighs slightly less than me and is the same height but apparently fits a size 29 though normally I would have gone for a size 28. I wear 28 in TCB 50s and those are still a tad loose. I wear 29 in Resolute 710 and those fit perfectly. Thanks for the help!