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  1. Yes, the uppers are moccasin construction, but the sole is made to look as if it is a welt or a midsole is attached to the uppers with a wedge sole glued to the midsole/welt. Here is a pic of them so you can see. The brown line is, at the very least, made to look like it is a welt or a midsole. The welt/midsole should be stitched to the uppers and then the sole can be stitched or glued to the welt/midsole.

     

    A shoe that is made with true moccasin construction but that also has something other than a traditional leather moccasin sole still needs to have a midsole/welt attached to it to permit the wedge or other sole to be attached. This pic is taken directly from Russell Moccasin (someone who does this exact type of shoe the correct way), and it shows how the addition of any other type of sole does in fact require a welt/midsole, unlike what both of you have just said.

     

    You can see in the leftmost pic that the stitching should go through the moccasin constructed uppers into the midsole/welt, and then the midsole can be either stitched or glued to the sole itself.

     

    As I understand garden gnomes' problem with his pair, the midsole/welt was never stitched to the uppers and was instead glued to the uppers and the sole. That is not done properly for a moccasin constructed shoe with a non-traditional sole. The excuse that the shoes were moccasin construction doesn't fly. This is just shoddy construction.

     

     

    You are correct about the construction, you definitely need a midsole. I never claimed a midsole was unnecessary, just that they were not goodyear welted or anything of that nature. The welt stitching is decorative, AKA shitty glued construction.

     

    I didn't want to go into full detail on midsole/slipsole construction as I didn't think it was necessary. Ideally, you would want mocc stitched through the bottom to a midsole (blake stitch), which is then stitched (around the edge of the welt) to the slipsole, which is then glued to the sole (which is how NEOC and I think Quoddy does it).

     

    OSB use midsoles but not slip soles. OSB doesn't simply glue the bottom of the moccasin to the midsole, that's absurd. They just have poor gluing techniques.

  2. The trail oxfords weren't welted because they don't have welts. They're full moccasin construction, not goodyear or any other type or welt. Any moccasins you buy with a wedge sole will be glued/cemented. Of course, there's well done glued construction and shitty glued construction.

  3. Hello everyone,

     

    This is my first post on SuFu. I wanted to post some fit pics of my new SDA loopwheeled sweat in oatmeal. Included are my ~1 month old SD-103s. Apologies for the poor picture quality!

     

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