dudewuttheheck

8 hours ago, Broark said:

Great, thanks for the info Jake. I'll be keeping my eye out for these.
I've always had a weird fringe interest in this style of Fenby/Tripolina chair but I admittedly don't know much about them and their history.

I know absolutely nothing myself, but it was quite comfortable to sit it. Apparently it does have quite a lot of history as well. They had photos of Theodore Roosevelt, Henry Ford, etc sitting in these chairs they're reproducing. 

I'm sure you could also ask them what retailers they will be selling them through if S&S doesn't end up carrying them, which they might anyway.

9 hours ago, Broark said:

For anyone that made it to Inspiration and stopped by the OA booth, are they reproducing those folding chairs?
I'm definitely interested in a couple if / when they're available.

Yes they are. They're even going through the trouble of reproducing the fabric as well. They said they went to Amoskeg and got the exact inputs for the loom and are bringing that info back to have a Japanese mill do it from what i understood in talking about it with Ryo. Pretty cool stuff.

My apologies if any of this is slightly off, there was a slight language barrier, despite their English being pretty good.

Thanks @Duke Mantee! Can't wait to get it. Looks like it turned out perfectly. 

I personally don't think any less of the products. I already knew that he hadn't been sewing for very long when I bought my jeans. In fact, it was stuff like the crazy red jeans that bothered me more product-wise than any of this and those didn't ruin the more faithful repros that he made. That didn't matter to me. It's not like they were supposed to be Roy or Ooe levels of stitching beauty. I still think the products generally achieve what they aim for and they are impressive for that. I'm selling my 2 new pairs and the jacket I still have because I cannot wear them in good conscience. I know that it's going to bother me if I keep wearing them. I'm too disgusted by all of this. This isn't to say that you cannot separate the man from the product completely. I'm just saying that I can't right now. 

On 8/26/2021 at 5:28 PM, Cozzie said:

Shoot, just went looking must have missed them….

It may or may not be the same pair, but I just saw a pair of the same description on Yahoo auctions for a steal. 

4 hours ago, Iron Horse said:

@dudewuttheheck, have you looked into either FW or Sugar Cane jeans? I think you’ll find their 47 models might suit you more, IMO.

I'll look again,  but last time I checked the Sugar Canes the measurements didn't work for me. I should give FW another look. I had a pair from them previously thst I liked.

16 hours ago, Iron Horse said:

Don’t want to sound like Ed but they look a bit small in the seat IMO. That’s how my TCBs fit and I never did get over the wedgie fit.

That's every pair of jeans I've had in the last year. These are at least two inches 2 inches too big in the waist. I don't know how loose I can go in the waist just to get a seat that actually fits.

15 hours ago, Duke Mantee said:

Jake’s cakes … that and his perfect hair is why he has a beautiful girl on his arm (although she claims it to be more cerebral) 

Haha It does make jeans sizing difficult. 

19 hours ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

IMO you put too much thought in that red tab. I understand where you are coming from. You were waiting over a year for that pair and of course you want the real deal with all the bells and whistles but like someon already said: CSF is about the imperfections of jeans production and now you really have a true and not planned imperfection.

When I got my '47 jeans while visiting his shop Japan, he did them in a rush in the evening for me. The vertical back seam ist stitched with two different thread colours like you see it on Evisu jeans. It bothered me first as I don't think a pair of '47 features this but @Flash just told to chill and appreciate for what they are...a pair of jeans and a unique one.

Oh yeah you're right. If I hadn't waited so long, I probably wouldn't be thinking about it so much. To be clear: If I do sell them, it absolutely will not be because of the tab. 

I'm thinking about selling mine still... can't decide right now. Will probably not wear them for a little bit until I make the decision. Some of me is thinking that they're just jeans, but part of me also knows this will be in the back of my head when I wear them. At this point, I think I've won the bad timing awards having waited this long just for this to happen... and for my tab to be missing. Even if he was legally in the right (and I don't think he is) it would still be a dick move and to me, that's the worst part. It's just so incredibly selfish. 

Anyway. Here are some fit photos of the size 34 46 pair while I make my decision. 

That seems really low from Yoshiaki...

9 hours ago, youngofthesoonest said:

If I’m understanding this discussion correctly, it seems like those jeans are completely ruined and unwearable. Send them my way and I’ll properly dispose of them for you. 

I think we might be a similar size now too, so I'm extra worried if you're still down in LA...

37 minutes ago, silencejoe said:

If you not gonna sent it back i suggest you keep it as it is, as the stitching is part of the money you purchase csf product 

 

This is the 22501xx that i ask the local shop to resize, you can tell the difference

 

Yeah that is one of the things I would be worried about. 

2 minutes ago, Broark said:

Guess I missed the part where he said he forgot to put it on your pair, I’d be annoyed if I waited over a year for a pair of expensive jeans and he forgot a tab too. 
My statement was more in reply to the idea of sending them back to Japan just to have a tab attached. I’m sure some talented denim tailor like Rain at IndigoProof could do it pretty easily. 
Ive also seen people fix the included Resolute tab on their jeans, not entirely sure how they go about doing it. 

No worries. That was a huge post so I don't blame you.

Yeah I won't be sending them back. I'm sure Rain could do it as you suggest. The issue there would of course be the wait.

5 hours ago, julian-wolf said:

^ Seriously—it’s wild how much thought is being put into attaching it non-invasively; if they’d noticed this in the Levi’s factory the conditions of which we’re going so far to try and replicate, they’d’ve just stuck it on with another row of stitching and moved to the next pair

You’re spending hundreds of bucks to get a pair of jeans that tries to replicate the style of construction bred by mid-century factory conditions, false mistakes and all, and when an actual realistic mistake pops up your first inclination is to fix it and make it perfect? Just buy a pair of Cane’s or Warehouse

5 hours ago, Broark said:

Or, leave them as they were originally made and just wear them.  Sheesh.

I mean, this was my initial inclination if you look at my initial post. I'm just letting myself get influenced when people say it's a glaring mistake. 

I've just  been wearing them. I'd like the tab if he can send it to me, but no I'm not going to send them back to him. 

When he told me he "forgot" I just laughed and figured it was appropriate for the jeans, making them a "one of one." 

I am genuinely curious about how to attach it though. Could be a fun thing for me to do if I can figure it out. I'm not handy at all though. It's an interesting thing for me to try to figure out.

7 hours ago, Foxy2 said:

Subtly is difficult as the pocket top stitching is done in a contrast colour…

Partial re-stitching could end up popping out visually and mismatched sewing yarn colours are another issue.

Ask for some sewing thread as well!

An alternative would be to press the seam allowance over and then top-stitch the  flag label as close to the back pocket fabric as possible. This will require a one-sided presser foot for the sewing machine.

Good call thanks! I asked for thread as well. That's part of the issue. I can't think of a way to make this happen easily. 

I was wondering if it would be possible to undo some the the stitching on the pocket and then just match the stitching holes by hand with the same thread if he sends it to me. That's what the guy who shortened the sleeves on my leather jackets did. He had to go in through the front of each jacket and he match the stitching so well by hand I could barely tell the difference. 

Does anyone have any advice on the best method to attach it as subtly as possible?

10 minutes ago, Dr_Heech said:

Surely you should be able to get a local tailor or seamstress to do it for you?

Already got a reply from him saying he will send it. Now to find someone to do a decent job of it.

3 hours ago, Dr_Heech said:

I would've demanded one as soon as l noticed the mistake. That's alot of money to pay for an unfinished product .

It's more about me being the least handy person in the universe and not trusting myself to put it on.

8 hours ago, Dr_Heech said:

^Hey, at least you got one. That's more than poor old @dudewuttheheck got on his last pair!

Haha indeed! I've debated asking him to send me one just so I can try to get it on somehow. 

That's a pretty poor response from Whites. 

Glad the sizing worked out for you!

3 minutes ago, Duke Mantee said:

They’re not a slim cut, just a bit slimmer and lower (rise) than I’d have expected - but as I say they suit you well. Your tastes will change too, whether that be a higher rise, wider leg, whatever. Mine have and continue to do so. I just have a selection of cuts then I can wear what I like as the mood takes me

Well said. My tastes already have changed to a degree. That's why I've been looking for wider cuts. My favorite fitting trousers now are my Buzz Rickson chinos which are quite a bit wider than these. I still like these though and they will most likely be my main pair for the foreseeable future.

1 hour ago, Toegun said:

@dudewuttheheck mate they look great and the fit pic makes the 42 look even better, can’t wait to see the 46. Congrats on the weight loss, I’m trying to motivate myself to tighten up a bit. Sure would make my jackets more comfortable. 

Thanks! I'll have to get some fit pictures of them sometime soon, though I plan on wearing the D-42 more regularly. Thanks and best of luck! It's all about consistency.

28 minutes ago, Duke Mantee said:

@dudewuttheheck brilliant, thanks! They looked slim, and your tape measure proves that - but a really nice fit on you.

Thanks Duke! I used to think any leg opening over 8(16) was wide years ago... now I think anything under 9 is kind of slim. I do want a wider fit as well and I think I may have to try Black Sign for that or maybe the At Last 161 because the 147 had too low of a rise for me.

Thanks all! 

@scooby yes it indeed quite poetic

@Dr_Heech Yeah I think that's the name of the unique model I have  

@Duke Mantee here are the post-soak measurements for both:

D-42: tag size 33x31

waist: 16.25"

front rise: 11.75"

back rise: 16.5"

thigh: 12.4"

inseam: 29"

hem: 8.75"

46 first half: tag size 34x31

waist: 16.25"

front rise: 12"

back rise: 16.5"

thigh: 12.75"

inseam: 29"

hem: 8.9"

The D-42 have been worn twice which could partly explain why the waist is the same measurement. Either way, they fit quite similarly which is good because they both fit pretty comfortably for me. Thighs are a little tight for me, but I haven't been able to avoid that lately with jeans.