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oi roy,youve been quite since last night.youre allright,bud?
I'm a'ight.
I meant to say, allegedlynice, you clean up pretty well (wywt pic). I would make one of those written out wolf-whistles, but I don't wanna make you nervous.
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The LVC ones were bloody expensive; at least $400. I got mine as a freebie when I helped with their exhibition. A lot went on sale, because of the poor sizing.
THe leather is decent - not the best. Not particularly heavy, and the lining isn't great. But the cut is excellent, very distinctive. I've tried on a lot of Aero jackets in the past, I think this is every bit as good.
I kind of like the leather on the blue-black (that the one you're talking about here?). I remember they made a special batch of blue mottled buffalo hide for this jacket, and offered that leather as a special option for a while for their other jackets.
The lining is boring for Aero. A red satin lining would have looked sharper, imho.
Dr. Heech- I always thought the Ruff'n'Ready was based on an Aero model too- despite LVC's claim that all their items are based on archival garments. It looks so much like a Bootlegger. But I saw what I think is the original Levi's jacket this one is based on up for auction on Ebay recently. Looks almost exactly the same, except for a few minor details. I saved the pictures, and I guess there's no harm in posting them here, since I'm not claiming credit or profit, but if it's a problem, someone let me know and I'll remove them.
Shortylong- great pics.The 2008 Lone Pine jacket is labeled as being made in Portugal, the 2005 Menlo is from Portugal and I think another version from Turkey. Maybe they've moved to ordinary clothing producers (not high-end like Aero) for production of the leather pieces?
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Superscore, you promised some more pictures of your Buckaroo Packers...
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Good point, but the rampant consumerism is more about the Japanese jeans - they're more expensive and give more bragging rights.
THanks Crownzip - that's the LVC Blue Black, the 30s motorocycle jacket, made by Lewis Leathers IIRC, from the 2003 season.It is a lovely, very flattering cut, but very trim. Mine's a medium (I always wear small in, say, Gap sizing).
Roy here has one, too, you probabyl overlooked the jacket as his room is so disgracefully untidy. (But his hair looks good, I admit).
I walk in shame.
The blue-black is really beautiful. Of all the LVC leather jackets, the Aero made ones really stand out, and this is one of the best of those.
Like Sympathyforthedenim said, these are seriously undersized, and cut very short at the cuffs and hem as well.
Some photos sans bedroom clutter, to soothe Paul's delicate sensibilities:
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LVC Japan
LVC 33' 501
Havana Joes
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recomputed now vs. then cost computation for LVC duck closed front jumper:
Wholesale cost of 1 doz. closed front denim jumpers in 1908: $8.75 USD (assuming similar price to duck version)
Wholesale cost of 1 denim closed front denim jumper in 1908: $0.73
Retail cost of 1 DCFJ in 1908 assuming 50% markup: approx. $1.00
Conversion of $1.00 USD 1908 to 2008 dollars using nominal GDP per capita method: $139.61
Cost of LVC repro closed front cotton duck jumper in 2010 (via Cultizm): $200
Cost of LVC repro after Probable 30% off end of season sale at Cultizm: $140.00
So if you wait for the sale, the average 2010 US citizen can buy this repro for almost exactly the same portion of his income as an average 1908 US citizen could buy the original. Less $.39. Plus shipping.
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$200+ for jeans is one thing, but $200+ for a G'damn shirt is where I draw the line I don't care where it's made or what it's made of that's just ridiculous -- talk about a vulgar display of consumerism jthat cuts the cake...jeeez. What shirt are you talking about??
Not to single you out, electrum, cause I agree with pretty much everything you said, but it seemed like the best place to reply with quote from.
Another way to look at the pricing of LVC and other high end & good quality denim brands is to look back at the way clothing was purchased before consumerism really spread into the masses (in the western world in the '50s? Arguable, I know).
For instance, that cotton duck jumper was originally produced in, what, the early 1900s or thereabouts? I don't have a good grasp of how 1900 US dollars convert to modern currency, but I am willing to bet that one of these original jumpers cost a much larger percentage of a average persons income then than a low-end denim or duck jacket would proportionally cost today from Wallmart, or even a better garment, say from Cabellas or Carhart. People saved up, bought relatively expensive garments of good quality, and wore them 'til they fell apart.
Which is more consumerist (in the "bad" way)- that model or the modern one of buying relatively cheap garments and wearing them for a season or two then discarding or giving them away?
LVC practices a vintage pricing system.
One could subvert that policy by buying their stuff and then never wearing it.
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oioioi- the second shot, the closeup of the wrangler shirt, is most excellent.
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you know how to cuff roy.( did i understand it right that you dont want me to call you roy6,mr.shirt-tucker?)
You understand correctly, my friend.
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I did. The tops were really wide, looked weird under any jeans but boot-cut. These were the 8" harness, seem to be wider than the taller model.
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Frye harness
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These are the cone/LVC samples post soak.
Thanks PaulT & Sympathy, for figuring out what these probably are: a recent cut of the 501 made with selvedged denim & the 'Old Rinsed' wash. The wash is really nice, and totally had me fooled. I was sure these had been worn rigid and hard. The way that they smelled like a hobo's ashtray helped the illusion. Was the scent part of the wash? Such verisimilitude. Those Levi's guys are genius.
I though they were slim cut, but I guess it was just that they are a smaller size than I am used to wearing. Looks like a typical modern 501 when worn.
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i reckon google is more accurate:
Clairvoyant? already clear, Mr. smartly, .. uh, sorry, Roy.
and always a hand's breadth of water under the keel, Digger!
imagine this words from the oki-ni model:
Ich sah als Kind schon scheisse aus.
I picture him as saying something like:
"Wo ist mein Granatapfelsaft? Stehlen Sie sich nicht hinter mir, ich leicht zu erschrecken. Ich kann nicht arbeiten unter diesen Bedingungen."
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Hellseher? schon klar, Mr. Neunmalklug,..äh,tschuldigung,Roy.
und immer eine Hand breit Wasser unterm Kiel,Digger!
Babelfish's translation:
"Lightrather? already clearly, Mr. Nine-mark-intelligently. .äh, tschuldigung, Roy. and always a hand broadly water under the keel, Digger!"
I'll assume its something nice.
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@roy6,
the wash that is called "old rinsed" and had been used in 2004 for two jeans, 1966 501xx and 1966 606 super slims which I owned both, the evidence is the little stain on the left back pocket and the light whiskers on the yoke...
@Paul T, in 1967 Levi´s used black bar tacks on the back pockets, this is what made me to think that those are 1983 repros, I guess the first orange thread bar tags had been used from 1983 on(orange tabs had those on from the start of production)
http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?p=531991#post531991
Sympathy, maybe this was a prototype for those '60s models, and some of the details of the cut weren't being observed while they worked on the rinse. The cut is fairly slim, so I can buy their being based on a '60s model. The arcuates are wrong for any cut from the '60s through the '80s, is what made me think they weren't true to any produced model.
They're almost dry, after wearing them most of last night. I'll finish it up and post fit pics tonight or tomorrow , if they aren't too embarrassing (jean=30", I=31inches, at best).
Paul, my avatar is well-rounded, and can wear any number of styles of clothing equally badly.
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those are Hathorn Buckaroo Packers made by White´s especially for Drew´s Boots Oregon,.... hope that helps,.... you can´t find them on the White´s Website but you may on www.drewsboots.com
I did find them on Drew's, but the picture there wasn't so great. How about some more shots of yours?
In you original pics the heels almost look like metal, I was drooling over the thought of an exposed steel heel White's.
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These are the weird LVC/Cone sample jeans I posted, which got deleted. I soaked them, they didn't shrink up at all, and didn't look to have been soaked post-production, so I am guessing that it is sanforized denim, which may lend some credence to this being a sample Cone produced for possible use on LVC's sanforized models (551zxx, 501-65, 501-77, 501-83, etc.)
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+rep to phive for great counterattack.
loving it!
and roy6,your dyseptic avatar looks familiar.
Comme c'est clairvoyant à vous noter. Ne soyez pas si formel- veuillez m'appeler Roy, or Mr. 6 if you're nast... eh, if you're almost nice.
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Superscore, in your "all time faves" pic, what are the lowest pair of boots?
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those white´s are the shit,.... love 'em,...
Superscore- thanks, I love the White's. The instep is incredibly high, it was hard to get used to. After wearing them for a while, all other shoes start to feel weird and flat.
Congrats on getting your rep established!
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Bunkhouse celebration pack for $300- its a damn good deal.
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Brixton
LVC x Aero
Lacoste
Replay
White's
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Ah. Good to know. But does that then mean that I'm not the center of the universe after all?
Conflicting...with...world...view.
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great Lammy pic Paul.dead slow and awkward to ride but a classic.
after the meltdown roy6 is now able to slag off that oki-ni model with political correct words.
Did something else bad happen while I was sleeping? Look like every single post I've made in all of Superfuture has been deleted, and any that even referred to me. No messages from management...
I feel like some transgressive Egyptian pharaoh, stricken from all record.
Really?
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Levi's Vintage Clothing
in superdenim
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Did you follow what happened to that jacket? The guy had it up without knowing what it was, then took it off Ebay and relisted it with a proper description. The bidding went up to $900 something, but didn't make his reserve!
Wonder if he ended up selling it.