Dr_Heech

If you have tough hands the rivets slowly wear down over time.

Be careful @silencejoe - that in guy in the grey coat has just clocked your jacket. Don't go down any dark alleys alone 🤔

Or another way to look at it would be that you have in fact, eight solutions.

@Broark let me know if the N1 doesn't work out for you 🥴

I prefer the LVCSFWH pair 🙂

My size so let me know how they work out 😉

If they are more photos from that particular shoot it may be possible. Think 551ZXX originally came out around '58 or 59 as the first gen had leather patches.

It almost impossible to tell @Duke Mantee

Could be a1942 model 🤔 Especially love the match strikes below the back pocket. Class pair of cinchbacks.

Well we don't really know the full back story on the pair lvc have copied. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 sets of images of original 1942 501XX which isn't surprising as they were only made for roughly 8 months, and therefore l'm assuming there can't be many in a new with tags condition (there's one deadstock pair posted in the vintage thread, page 25 and some more info on p.27). I would prefer to know the the back story on the FW pair personally as the lvc pair just stinks of the usual consumerist band wagon jumping bollox that we're all used to 😁 And as you say, that price is hilarious yet probably already sold out.

Looks like Lvc are doing a 1942 cinchback model too, although imo the yoke is incorrect on this model. The pocket flasher is correct though and they seem to have sorted out the tab and the arcuate shape too - only 20 years too late but this is lvc after all.

There is some info in the vintage thread about the various cinch models made between 1937 and 1942. There's a lush pair from Palms buried in there somewhere too.

Well from 1936 the back pocket rivets were covered and the tab was introduced. The jeans were given the lot number 501XXC. Some pairs made in 1936 had machine pressed suspender buttons, probably customer led requests. In 1937 the first 501xx with a pocket flasher was introduced, informing customers about the non scratch 'concealed copper' rivets still being there albeit hidden. Around 1939/1940 the yoke construction on the back of the jeans was reversed. Around 1941 a black buckle replaced the standard copper/silver one. Black stitching was used to sew the waistband on the 501 sometimes in the early 1940s, just before America's involvement in the war. In April (I think?) of 1942, the second pocket flasher was introduced informing customers about the non scratch 'concealed pocket' rivets still being there on this, the last 501 with a cinch strap before the war. Copper had stopped being used on this model. The most important feature though is the reversal of the back yoke seam construction becoming the standard just before the first war model in December 1942 (S501XX). The one thing l haven't looked into is the left over right and right over left back panel swap. Did this occur at the same time? This FW repro does seem to - l wonder if they were copied direct from an original pair?

At last a 1942 model. A very short lived model (in a real life/historical levis sort of way). Looking forward to these.

@LazyS those 37's are awesome 👌

Plus it also depends on the belt used, for example. I use my thicker Hollows belt for my war and post war jeans, and my thinner Duke belt for all the pre- WW2 jeans, which is comfortable over suspender buttons and a cinch.

@Broark The Winstones ice cream shop is on Roborough Common, a few hundred feet from the Bear of Roborough pub/hotel. The cows have gone in now and won't be back until the spring (woo hoo!) And as Toegun said, well worth a visit.

If you happen to come across Minchinhampton Common on that day I'll give you guys a wave 👋

Shame @Broark, as for the last couple of years l've been celebrating the holidays in London with my Mrs and her sister (and my 3 yr old niece) but this year due to work commitments l'm down in the cotswolds, otherwise would have loved to. I've got a pair of conners to hem at Soas which is in Shoreditch too! Next time for sure.

@generic_guy so l'd hazard a guess at 1970 as that Scoville zipper looks to be the first after the change from Gripper and that's around 1968/69. Nice score.

@generic_guy V stitch or double bar at the fly button area? This would help date them. Looks to be the larger script for 505 on the patch which along with the redline would put them at late 60's. As the 505 only metamorphed from the 551z in and around 1967, then these are an early pair from late 60's IMHO. Also that button looks more copper than enamelled, which again is a pre 1969 feature.

Forget it,/why bother

@reallypeacedoff top marks for 1980's space lego kits! As a Gen X'er it was my last lego hurrah before ditching it altogether in favour of Astro wars and Munch-man.

Dark red looks warmer.

Oh yes @Double 0 Soul l am with you on most of those points. This is why l think 50 years for a pair of ds 501's, in a 'golden size' (well golden for me hopefully) of 35x38 (they are stf so final size is roughly 32-33 waist, 34.5-35 inseam), will be their best time to shine. My Mrs has a considerable collection of hotwheels redline cars and trucks, from 1969-1971, most are still 'mint on card' and even those that aren't are in mint condition. Her dad bought them one by one from the local shop as her mum lay pregnant, obviously hoping for a boy. They've been in a box ever since. I enquired about value and did a little bit of research. Over time l found out they are very valuable (to the right collector) and suggested she might want to consider selling but emotions are strong (her father passed away with cancer when she was 19 so they are special to her). Some years later l mentioned it to her because she was skint at the time. I also pointed out about vintage items peaking in value (although toys rarely do drop in price considerably) but alas she wasn't having any of it and they still lie in a box. Back on topic l am wearing my SC47's with arcs 🙂