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too small.

Bummer. It's a great cut if you like plenty of rise/thighs and nail the sizing.

Too big, or too small?

So The Flat Head wabash is really tempting me.

Trying to decide if a 44 WR would work or should I look into the 48 I've seen at 2nd.

I know, those are kind of big size discrepancies. I only have one Flat Head shirt being the spring weight buffalo check flannel. It fits great in the chest and the shoulders, but the body is a bit too tapered for my beer belly.

I wish 2nd would just post some measurements. In an ideal world I think if a 46WR existed I would go for it.

Or should I just give up on finding a FH shirt that works for me? Leaning toward it.

48.  100%  Jonathan at SEPDX is wearing a 46, it's snug, and he's slim for 6'3" with big old shoulders.

I've got a couple previous season Flat Head flannels in size 44 up for sale on Grailed right now if anyone is interested…link is in the signature.

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Kiya, I seemed to have lost my hat.  I bought it at SE Portland in Nov of 11. It had no tags on the outside and one that was stitched into the basically top of the cap that the lettering was in a gold like thread.  Do you which hat I had?  Do you have it in stock?  I need that hat again.

Shoot me an email: [email protected] and let me know your name and what style of hat it was, and I'll see if I can get you sorted out.

Didn't mean to neg!  Sorry...clumsy mousework.  I can't stop looking at these!  So good!

You will definitely not have any problem with the Medium.  Sz 38 in that lined riders jacket is pretty small as far as 38's/Mediums go, and it looks great on you!

Shoot Tyler a message either here or via Twitter. He's quite responsive and will gladly measure out an individual pair for you in various ways so that you're as sure of the fit as possible, without being able to actually try them on. Great service. 

Is Tyler still on sufu? I haven't seen him post in quite some time.

Private messages on here sometimes get missed for a few days at a time, but if you PM me on twitter, or email me at [email protected], I'll respond with more words than you probably wanted, at times of night that make you question what kind of person I am!  Trying to get back in the flow of posting on here more frequently, but also trying to not spend anymore time in front of a computer than I need to!  Miss you guys!  Talk more soon!

Welcome back indeed!!!

Such a killer first pair!  Congrats on finding a great fit!

Thanks for the help. The pictures make them look like a boot cut or maybe a straight leg. I'm trying to figure this out for my wife.

 

As an aside, you were super helpful with us at SEPDX and ended up with SG2109s.

Awesome man!  How're you digging them?  

Those Sugar Canes are bootcut, and the denim is a raw unsanforized denim that shrinks down to the tagged waist size. 

I have no way of knowing the measurements, but the denim is 100% cotton (99% sure it's the 1947 14.5 oz denim) and it's going to be as small as any 26 you've ever ran into....approximately a size smaller than a current 3s+ women's jean, or 2 sizes smaller than a first generation 99bsp.  If you're talking american/european women's jeans, it'd probably fit someone wearing a size 24.

My initial hunch on the Flat Head 3012 has proven correct and the last 3 pairs we've sold at SEPDX have gone to women who came in looking for "women's jeans'.  What I'm getting at with this is that the jean isn't being purchased as a statement piece, or to be worn differently than the women in question were wearing their previous jeans which were ostensibly designed for and marketed towards women.  The only leap of faith involved has revolved around sizing/shrinkage, but thankfully I'm pretty well versed in the shrink/stretch capacities of the 3xxx denim, and I've been lucky enough to have customers who trusted me on it.  So far the feeback on fit after achieving full shrink has been universally positive.  I will say that because of the super long pre-shrink inseam, this jean looks better during try-on for taller women, but I'm convinced it'd be very good for shorter women once it was shrunk and given a proper hem. 

Can't wait to start seeing worn examples!

hey kiya, how should i size on the Ace boots co. black oxfords with the vibram sole? any sizing advice is appreciated, thanks.

Up half a size from your Alden Trubalance/Barrie lasted shoes…same size as your converse all-star/nike size.  If you have other comparisons I could try and help you out that way.  Let me know.

If the small breaks retail…that means crazy crazy things about what L and XL might fetch.

Hey kiya...for the portland shirt, it says to hand wash, but have you seen/had any problems with gently machine washing it?  And is it okay to iron? 

The main issue with machine wash is the glass buttons.  It COULD be ok, but if your deadstock glass buttons break, that one's kinda on you.  

No reason not to iron it!

Is it giving you a blowjob or are you hungover?.. Either way: good look... 

Best way to say what everyone else was thinking…and, a great point.

That shirt is precisely that good!

Those are killer!

Before you draw a comparison between Railcar and Self Edge (full disclosure, if this isn't already obvious, I work for Self Edge) when it comes to taking on alterations, you should realize that it's totally an apples to oranges comparison because Self Edge is a denim retailer, with a specialty hemming and repairing studio.  Railcar is a full blown jeans production workshop, which among other things, means they have the multitude of machines and equipment necessary to properly construct a pair of jeans from start to finish.  If you have any standards whatsoever, you won't take on denim repair work without having the appropriate machine for the job.  I think it's rad that Railcar is stoked to give this a try.  Before you even get to the philosophical explanation for why alterations aren't a job that SE will take on, there is the fact that SE has only have a select few machines that serve the specific purposes necessary to the work that we do with repairs and hems.  

Of course I'm not. I have a body type that limits me greatly in the world of denim (I'm 6' 135lbs), and I prefer heavy denim. There's only a handfull of jeans that fit me correctly and line up with my standards. Yes I bought 32oz denim, and yes I'm getting them tailored. I just feel like that comment is rather elitist and nonconforming to the overall message of the raw community. Meh.

This is completely sincere, and not intended to be a slight or a challenge at all, but I'm really curious who is going to tailor your 32oz denim, and what kind of job they are going to do.  If you find somebody that is willing to take it on, and is capable of doing a good job, then that's really fucking awesome, but I find it really hard to believe that you're going to find someone with the appropriate machines for denim alteration that have them set up to be capable of working on 32oz denim.  

Well in more appropriate news I received the Wild Child wallet and damn I'm impressed.

This thing is a beast, and I know it'll only get better with age.

Now I just need a leather chain to pair with it.

Congrats on the wallet Broark.  Would love to see pics of the leather chain (with wallet) when you get it -- any thoughts on what you're after?

You don't NEED a leather chain.  There are other ways you can make sure you never lose your wallet!  ;-)

http://www.goodart.com/store/wallet-chains/model-16-wallet-chain.html

Apologies in advance that this got long...people are bringing up interesting things though, and pushing me to think really hard about why I like what I like, so lots is coming out:

I find this all funny because the quality of Vibergs isn't what I'd be questioning the value of, as the price increases.  It's all design stuff that would give me pause paying more than they already charge for them.  I'm not talking about simple things like just the colors, or leathers, or makeups, but more comprehensive design related stuff.  Things like how the different materials they are using on a particular boot work together, both aesthetically and functionally, stitch color/gauge/length, finishing of trims, and how different lasts and leathers on different soles work together to create silhouettes.  Maybe that level off attention to detail would be concurrent with the price hike that Brett is talking about.  I'm not ragging on this...it's just interesting to me because my own valuation of Viberg and my perception of the way many others value the brand is exclusively because the superlative build quality, sometimes even in spite of design decisions (or non-decisions) that are less than optimal. 

In my personal opinion, these kind of broader design details are the aspect of Whites that is responsible for me preferring their boots to Wesco and Viberg even though I'm willing to acknowledge that the cleanliness, QC, and finer detail work isn't on par with the other two (and is farther behind viberg than wesco).  At least as they come stock, and most of the time in custom make-ups, I find myself more often than not looking at a pair of Whites and just thinking to myself "that's right, that's good!"  Of course this hugely dependent on personal preference but I think it's these kind of subtleties (along with a couple obvious things, like arch ease) where Whites greatest strength relative to the other two are. 

I guess this also wraps around to how I feel about the Lofgrens that I'm digging right now, and also other impressive Japanese made boots I've seen before...in addition to having the material, construction, and finishing down to whatever degree the particular boot has those things.  Of course there are the obvious ways in which they excel, for instance, the shape of the Buco.  But to me, the thing that stands out to me about the best versions of these boots that I've seen before is how they manage to be an entire boot without there being anything I think should be different about them.  It doesn't necessarily always make me want that particular boot, but I usually feel like I'm looking at a great example of that kind of boot that wouldn't improve at all from addition, deletion, or modification.  That contrasts heavily for me to something like Wesco, where I am in love with the idea of the boots, and would probably love to own a pair, but small things like the gauge of stitches bug me in a way that is hard for me to articulate or quantify. 

An analog I can draw more thoroughly utilizes denim lines I sell at Self Edge...Sugar Cane is one of my favorite brands we carry, and a lot of different customers like it too!  I don't have anything even remotely negative to say about the craftsmanship or quality of SC products...in the 4 years I've worked at SE, I've never seen something from Toyo make it from Japan to SE and need to be sent back for QC issues.  I will say though, that when sitting on a table next to Flat Head, Roy, Iron Heart, Strike Gold, and Stevenson, all in their new state, it's tough to point out a thing about the Sugar Canes (at least the non fiber denim iterations) that is remarkable in that environment.  Yet, customers are still drawn to Sugar Cane, and often prefer them to the other available options, and on a lot of levels I do too.  My suspicion is that for a lot of people, the Sugar Canes are remarkable in that they are the only jean of the group that the customer doesn't see something they wish was slightly different about.  It could be beyond articulation, but maybe they wish the stitching on the Flat Heads was a shade less bright, or the gauge thread used on the Strike Gold's was a slimmer, or that the Iron Hearts had just a little more irregularity to them.  I don't know...this is a developing theory of mine, brought largely about by thinking about boots in this context, and I'm sharing it to facilitate discussion...but it stems from the fact that I can't recall once hearing a customer say about Sugar Canes "oh these are great in almost every way, but i just don't know if I can deal with the *insert detail that would probably seem minute to anybody but a regular superdenim reader*" and I do hear that about other brands we carry from time to time (not roy...I sadly don't get to have those in the store long enough to know how they perform under normal conditions. 

aho,

 

Is this the Alden that you and Tyler have?

 

https://www.aldenshop.com/Store/DrawProducts.aspx?CategoryID=154&ParentID=94&PageID=&Action=

 

John

I forget what aho has...these are mine though: http://leathersoulhawaii.com/2009/07/29/alden-shoes-shell-cordovan-jumper-boots/

I don't know if it's just me but - what's the difference in thigh/waist/rear sizing for the 30BSP vs the SL100X model? The SL100x is perfect except for the butt/thighs which sadly need a little more room...will a 30BSP give me more space to feel comfy in?

Thanks!

At size 34, an SL is unbelievably uncomfortable in the thighs (not to mention rather unbecoming) and the waist has some gapping.

The 30bsp is notably roomier in the thighs as it neither looks or feels restrictive for me, and because of the proportions between the hip and waist, and the waist on the 30bsp sits far more naturally on me than the SL.