Liu Soula

http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/2880516/0~2376788~6002242~2382778

You can see the selvage line in the enlargement pics. Saw them at the rack also going for 69 bucks. Didn't have my size so I couldn't try 'em on, but judging by the pics, they don't look too flattering. IMHO that is.

octavia butler - fledgling

it's so fuckin' good and i don't even like vampire stories!

saw a really cool version of a white/creme coloured M-65 by a label called "ever" in Rolo Soma a few months ago. couldn't find shit about this label online except for some of their womens tees. Maybe someone else has more info about this label/jacket?

nice jeans. which location did you get them at?

went to the nice collective sample sale yesterday and picked up three button up shirts and three pairs of trousers all for $175. So many cool t-shirts too but didn't have enough ends to pick any up.

for those who missed out, i randomly ran into someone who told me he was only there to pick up things for his ebay store. should've gotten his name.

Happy to report I was able to cop a pair of Uniqlo dry selvedge jeans (S-002 regular straight fit) when i was in London about three weeks ago. and the icing on the cake, they were on sale for 19 pounds (About $40). They had a ton of them too at the Oxford Circus store. The sizes run big though - my normal waist size (32) looked really baggy on me and was almost hanging off my ass. had to size down to a 30 for a perfect fit. was disappointed everything else in the store was crap. one cool thing about Uniqlo, they do same day in store alterations for you. wish there was more of that kind of service in the U.S., in lower tier stores that is.

Funny. I just picked up a pair of similar guess jeans and came to SF to see if there was any news about them.

Mine are a "raw" indigo and look + fit similar to 501's, but hang a little nicer, probably because they're a one wash and not completely stiff. they're definitely not skinny or even slim fit jeans like the ones in this thread but fit me just right, not too loose and not up on my nutz. I picked them up brand new, tags and all, for $15 at my local crossroads. construction seems solid and the denim feels similar to 501's, but a little more smooth and pliable. only thing i don't like is the back pocket stitching, looks like hugo boss jeans, I'll probably remove it.

these are a long way from the nasty stone/acid wash, triangle on the ass guess jeans i wore in middle school.

word, agree everything 4/4 is NOT house. my reference to the music being spiritual is my connection to good house music while dancing to it and feeling it even at bone empty clubs. never been a social icon, a house music producer or a drugged out raver either. a cool kid? well that's debateable. part of what i was saying is that good house is what will always stay afloat, even long after the cool kids say it's not cool anymore.

house music is part of a culture that's not dependent on what disconnected people think of it. its it's own thing and reflects the reality of those who partake in it. a real house head, someone who knows the history of it will also know the difference between sub par club music and real house music. i don't claim to be a house head, although i know many, i'm just a MUSIC head that appreciates music well done and respects the history of where it comes from and especially when it's loud on a good system.

milk is a cool club right in the haight, directly across the street from amoeba records:

http://www.milksf.com/

also on haight, The Top:

(415) 864-7386

424 Haight St

other resources:

http://www.sfstation.com (not the most underground, but a good start)

http://www.hiphopslam.com (don't know how up to date it is, but lot's of good info about bay area hip hop)

Good documentary on house music/early club culture:

http://www.maestro-documentary.com/

House music is not dead and is just as relevant today as it was in the 80's and 90's. There is lots of crap out there, senseless, repetative garbage, that people may think is "house" because of a 4/4 swing beat, synth stabs and diva-esque vocals, but don't get it twisted. House music is about the complexity of life, it's about SOUL and it's about movement - when it's done right deeply spiritual and uplifting, not at all mind numbing like lots of club music today.

As with any genre of underground music that blows up and gets misrepresented and misunderstood, an overflow of crap usually rises to the forefront simply because the music industry always dumbs down and dilutes the sound to the most basic marketable ingredients. House has such a rich history and deep roots, saying that it's dead is like saying jazz or rock is dead; aint gonna happen.

Like fashion, music genres come in and out of vogue. right now, more "rock" types of music are in the spotlight, but a few years ago, hip hop/soul/electronica were the darlings of the industry and influencing mainstream culture. those who stayed true to their craft are the ones who shine no matter the musical climate. just look at Masters at Work and naked music to name a couple purveyors of good house music. Good music is good music. been dj'ing for a long time and no matter what venue i play, the true classics of almost any genre can be played and receive love from the dancefloor. it's only playing for the younger crowds, who haven't done much living, who are more finicky and closed minded about music and only want to hear the latest trends no matter how garbage the content or quality of musicianship or lack of.

don't waste your time and money with the starter packs. get 1200's used, start with one and a cheap mixer if you have to, at least you'll be able to practice scratching and that's most important if you expect to incorporate dj'ing with making beats, aside from only being able to play your vinyl for sampling.

most non-1200 turns are such crap, they take the joy and potential for creativaty out of mixing and dj'ing. it's no wonder why many have posted that they gave up after a short period with those starter packs. i've been doing it since '88 and started with some ultra whack belt drives and a radio shack mixer. after i finally got 1200's in '92, shit got raised to whole other level, it was like practicing meditation and liking it, but never achieving enlightenment, but when i started using 1200's it was like being buddha blessed.

trust, if you bother with reading this forum to learn more about high quality fashion, then you'd know old navy jeans could never touch a pair of apc's and etc. the cheap shit never really fullfills what you want and always becomes money wasted that you could've put towards the real deal. so don't taint your experience because of a lack of ends, take your time to save and really look. you'll find 'em no doubt. don't listen to others who say your too old. if your doing it for yourself, then it don't matter. the music is what guides you and if that's what you feel inside, then follow it man. hip-hop, dj'ing, vinyl needs new blood to keep it going/alive, so the fact that that your even interested in doin it the proper way is dope. all the digital technology is cool and woo hoo, but seriously lacks the X factor a hand put on spining vinyl can only provide.

btw, i'm still using the same turns i bought in '92 and they're still going strong.

yeah, was thinking about those two places also. Was curious to see how different H&M in Europe was compared to the states and Topshop I've been excited about too.

Thanks for the tip on the london thread!

Thanks! That's exactly when I'll be there. Sounds like my chances of copping some may be slim, but worth a try. Figures, the one time I get to go to London they've already stopped making them. Guess I can't complain since where I come from there's tons of Levi's xx's everywhere.

Been looking for some lower priced selvage jeans and Uniqlo seems to fit the bill. They get lots of love here on SF so I'm assuming they're a solid buy. Anyway, was wondering if anyone knew if they make the raw/one wash selvage jeans year round? I'm heading to London in two weeks and mos' definitely want to pick some up.

mervyn's, jc penny, kohl's to name three that would have them fa sho'. work wear places that sell ben davis/dickies/carhart and the likes would probably have them too.

haven't been into J5 since "jayou". for some reason, lost interest in them after that period. they're dope and got skills and all, but they don't do much for me.

i listen to a pretty ecclectic range of musick, but hip hop was my shit in the late 80's and all through the 90's. my girl has been listening to the smiths a lot in the car, album with "death of a disco dancer", and i'm feelin' it. really feelin' it. also was bumping siah and yeshua dapo ED's first ep the other day and on wax too.

dj flame: i get the feeling it's not water proof, at the least the ones in black. the olive ones maybe though. they felt a little more like there was nylon in the material but i could be wrong.

pok pok: i always liked that jacket and regreted not buying one when they went on sale. i did used to see a ton of people wearing them on the streets though, at least here in SF.

i recommend the h&m m65. i have it in black and even though the material is just so so, the fit and cut are just right. i happen to like the shortness of it and the smaller pockets that look "cut off" give it a certain edge. the stiching isn't the greatest, but still decent and solid. when i first got it, many threads were sticking out, but nothing some snipping with a pair of scissors couldn't take care of.

my only complaint, the roughness of the canvas material gets marked up really easily and picks up lint. i suppose if i were less anal i could wear it like it was meant to get dirty and worn looking fast, but i love a good solid black jacket. i was thinking of maybe scotch gaurding it. does anyone have experience with using this stuff? would like to know if anyone has tips on doing it right and what to expect.

yeah they're pretty lame. i've had a few things by them in the past two years and with each piece, there's been something i could never quite put my finger on that i didn't like. consequently, i wind up getting rid of them after wearing only a couple times. there was one pair of pants, plain gray slacks, that i did like. the quality didn't last though. they got really faded and kinda "lost it's life" in the fabric after about a year of light wear and wash.

this label does make me think of guys who shop exclusively in the macy's young men's dept., land of seven, ben sherman as said already, perry ellis, kenneth cole, liz claiborne, buffalo etc. kinda' depresses me thinking of all those brands. individual style is what counts and how you rock your clothes determines the outcome of your look, but if you want strong pieces that stand out and make bolder statements without making you work so hard, steer clear from 4you.

just saw one of those hanging lonely a few days ago. i tried that jacket on when they first came out and was not feeling it. the price was right, under $40, but the feel and sewing on it was pretty bad, even worse than the M-65's others were complaining about above. it's a nice looking jacket until you see it up close and worse even, it's got cheap, unevenly stiched velcro all up and down it. i'd say, don't sweat it and save your money for something that'll last you. i love H&M for what it is - inexpensive, great at the moment and better fit than most clothes in the price range, but they do make some cheap ass shit that's not worth your time every once in a while.

btw, not dissing the jacket, just want to remind brah not to stress if he doesn't find it. there's lots better out there. just keep looking.

and oh yeah, can't overestimate listening to James Brown as said already in this thread many times.

if your interested in the roots of hip hop music, check out the jazz/fusion/funk sound (also dubbed rare groove) that was popular from the late 60's to early 70's (herbie hancock 'watermelon man', the meters, stark reality, grover washington, etc.) that's the shit that most of the classic "golden era" hip-hop was sampled from.

if your interested in the roots of mc'ing and hip hop as a culture in general, you gotta check out the movie wild style. lots of mc's rocking crowds and showcasing (busy b, cold crush, double trouble to name a few). But to name one though that you can't not listen to is melle mel. his voice is the dopest ever and he was one of the firsts to bring consciousness and real content to rap lyrics. also check the sugar hill records label for early 80's stuff.

there were mc's that made old school classics and were also prominent through the early 90's too (ll cool j, slick rick, dougie fresh, krs and all the cold chillin' posse as someone mentioned earlier).

if you meant funk like p-funk/zap, then you gotta check epmd's 'you gots to chill', mc breed's 'aint no future in yo frontin', dr. dre's 'chronic' and everthing by digital underground to name a few. lots of west coast artists advanced this sound, artists like mac dre, mac mall, ray luv, volume 10, freestyle fellowships project blowed, tupac, too short etc.

i could go on, but if you want something for the mental also check out jeff chang's book http://www.cantstopwontstop.com/

WORD!

there are many of the olives here in San Francisco, but i can't help you. maybe you have some fam or connects here that can though. good luck!

Tru dat. Keep visting and more will pop up. Although I bought the black one a few months ago and haven't seen it since they sold out and I go in REGULARLY. They've had a shit load of the olives though for a few weeks now, at least at my local H&M (SF the town).

01 Varvatos selvedge jeans

02 Levi's 501s [jet black + cheap]

03 Levi's 501 STF [7 months unwashed]